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1995-04-25 16:16*advertorial*
├─ 1995-04-26 04:50Mr. Paisley Apples Re: *advertorial*
├─ 1995-04-26 18:11Derek Jordan Re: *advertorial*
│ └─ 1995-04-26 20:35Mr. Paisley Apples Re: *advertorial*
└─ 1995-04-26 20:57Jola Shepherd Re: *advertorial*
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1995-04-25 16:16des@anubis23.demon.co.ukyou know, i feel, uncomfortable at the convergence of televisual advertising with certain
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you know, i feel, uncomfortable at the convergence of televisual advertising with certain forms of techno music. what's going down? the commercial mainstream assimilating the creative margins? imh-experience, where vast corporations buy (in/out) the credibility of young innovators, the process rarely offers prurient support. my greatest anxiety is that the music which energised our youth is now leading us into middle age. or do you teenager readers believe the aphex twin advertising pirelli is the apex of your generation's achievement? surely there's more to it than this.. thoughts eagerly awaited. ciao, *des*
1995-04-26 04:50Mr. Paisley Apples>... my greatest anxiety is that the > music which energised our youth is now leading us i
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quoted 5 lines ... my greatest anxiety is that the>... my greatest anxiety is that the > music which energised our youth is now leading us into middle age. or do > you teenager readers believe the aphex twin advertising pirelli is the apex > of your generation's achievement? surely there's more to it than this.. > thoughts eagerly awaited. ciao, *des*
I suppose every generation has had these qualms, but a quick glance at the history of artistic innovation and youth movements betrays an obvious pattern. ALL real advances are assimilated, trivialized, commercialized and then regurgitated for profit for people who don't have any idea what the original fuss was about, but want to get in on the excitement. Rock and roll in the 50's, psychedelic and avant-garde rock in the 60's, punk and industrial in the 70's, new wave in the early eighties, hip-hop in the mid-to-late eighties, and techno in the 90's, the strategy is pretty clear. I don't find techno's rising commercial success alarming, because it's something I've been expecting all along. As before, the musicians with real dedication and talent will continue to make significant music and people who care about artistic integrity will be able to tell the difference. I am a bit surprised (and somewhat impressed) that Pirelli chose Aphex instead of, say, 2 Unlimited, and I will be quite surprised if I hear ANYTHING from the new Aphex album on prime time radio. I'm not sure what's motivating Sire to release his stuff stateside, but I can't imagine that SAWII, Ventolin and I Care are making them the bundles they're used to. If everybody starts listening to Richard, I'll be very pleased to revise my estimates of the intelligence of the average American. I think the challenge for our generation (whichever that is) will be to avoid spending our middle years kicking back to classic techno stations and carping on the music of our children, keeping our minds and ears open for what's to come. I know several members of this list have done this.
1995-04-26 18:11Derek JordanOn Tue, 25 Apr 1995 des@anubis23.demon.co.uk wrote: > you know, i feel, uncomfortable at t
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On Tue, 25 Apr 1995 des@anubis23.demon.co.uk wrote:
quoted 11 lines you know, i feel, uncomfortable at the convergence of televisual> you know, i feel, uncomfortable at the convergence of televisual > advertising with certain forms of techno music. what's going down? the > commercial mainstream assimilating the creative margins? imh-experience, > where vast corporations buy (in/out) the credibility of young innovators, > the process rarely offers prurient support. my greatest anxiety is that the > music which energised our youth is now leading us into middle age. or do > you teenager readers believe the aphex twin advertising pirelli is the apex > of your generation's achievement? surely there's more to it than this.. > thoughts eagerly awaited. ciao, *des* > >
Although i'm a more discriminating viewer of modern TV, I have to agree with you about the unconfortable-ness of techno music commercials. Of course, I'm more accustomed to the cheesy synth crap for Sega and Nintendo commercials here in 'merika, but you do make a good point. I haven't even seen the Levi's or Perelli's ad's, but I'm sure it can't be much worse than the synthipop crap played on MTV. My advise to those who can't stand techno on TV---Turn it off! 'Nuff Said!' Derek Jordan 'I will call it J.A.M.M-uZiq!!!' (Justified Ancients of Mu-Mu-uZiq)
1995-04-26 20:35Mr. Paisley ApplesOn Wed, 26 Apr 1995, Derek Jordan wrote: > Although i'm a more discriminating viewer of mo
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quoted 4 lines Although i'm a more discriminating viewer of modern TV, I have to agree> Although i'm a more discriminating viewer of modern TV, I have to agree > with you about the unconfortable-ness of techno music commercials. Of > course, I'm more accustomed to the cheesy synth crap for Sega and > Nintendo commercials here in 'merika, ...
Hay! Wait a second! For a while there Sega was using cuts straight from Naked City's _Torture Garden_ record. You know, the crazy jazzcore with the lycanthropic japanese 'singer'? Almost knocked me out of my chair when I heard it. Nice irony there. On now: Plaid ep on Clear (Yeah!)
1995-04-26 20:57Jola ShepherdI will have to agree, this list was flooded with the almost elated cry of Biosphere and Ri
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I will have to agree, this list was flooded with the almost elated cry of Biosphere and Richard James being launched into the toob, for everyone to discover. But how many will learn from this? The truth is, someone working for the Man has some decent tastes in music. If I was creating music beds for advertisers, I would, of course, work with music I liked rather than Kenny G's musical clown-punching. Is this going to help "our" genre of music, or will it hinder its creativity? Will just the presence of IDM in the largest form of mainstream entertainment water it down? Truth is, it probably won't so diddley-squat for the artist involved (probably, I said, I remember a very similar discussion about Dead Can Dance's music used to sell luxury sedans) other than pay for the next project, but that's the way of the industry. What we should watch out for far more is the blatant acceptance of IDM as a viable market for the US, when Mega-Comglomerates start selling the single nine months after its initial release ("as heard on TV!"), well then the watering down can't be too far behind. This may tie in well with the signing of a major deal with U-ziq, as I am eager to find out if the music suffers, or he keeps his elements of creativity and the record company suffers. Seven records is quite a few releases, and if you couldn't beleive hearing Biosphere hawking Levis, just wait till you hear the Media/Adverising blitz dropped when the record company decides it wants to make it's advance money back. ______________________________________________________________________________ Cameron psu00110@odin.cc.pdx.edu Blacksmith on the anvil in your ear Electronica for the Jaded and Discerning ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Tue, 25 Apr 1995 des@anubis23.demon.co.uk wrote:
quoted 11 lines you know, i feel, uncomfortable at the convergence of televisual> you know, i feel, uncomfortable at the convergence of televisual > advertising with certain forms of techno music. what's going down? the > commercial mainstream assimilating the creative margins? imh-experience, > where vast corporations buy (in/out) the credibility of young innovators, > the process rarely offers prurient support. my greatest anxiety is that the > music which energised our youth is now leading us into middle age. or do > you teenager readers believe the aphex twin advertising pirelli is the apex > of your generation's achievement? surely there's more to it than this.. > thoughts eagerly awaited. ciao, *des* > >