djkc <djkc@blkbox.com> writes:
quoted 10 lines Adam J Weitzman wrote:> Adam J Weitzman wrote:
> >
> > I'm sick and tired of the theory that "the masses are clueless; only we
> > know what good music really is." This delusional and condescending
> > attitude makes one seem like a complete snob, which turns people *off* to
> > the music you're trying to expose them to.
> >
>
> Is that quoted theory from someone's post? Or are you putting words in
> someone else's mouth?
He's insinuating that that's what I was saying; basically, I was.
quoted 6 lines The masses *are* clueless...due to the their ignorance of a wider musical> The masses *are* clueless...due to the their ignorance of a wider musical
> spectrum. Nobody is saying "only we know what good music really is."
> We're just saying that Top40 rarely gives way to alternative/experimental
> stuff, which means the masses stay ignorant to the stuff. If they are
> given the chance to hear it from the places where they hear current Top40
> (clubs, radios, MTV), then they are given a spectrum to choose from! The
exactly! exactly! we need a larger variety of content going out over the
same high-volume distribution and communications channels that currently
largely confine their bandwith to the status quo.
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quoted 3 lines "One" video did. BTW, How do you know that is was *viewers'* choice that> "One" video did. BTW, How do you know that is was *viewers'* choice that
> made that video play so much?? It's very possible that a video can be
> paid-to-be-played so many times that it's driven into the heads of the masses
Many record companies currently do this with MTV. And for those who don't
think so, just watch for a while and see how many times you hear the _same_
video (whatever janet jackson's latest is called, and the new Nine Inch
Nails song have been practically looping for the last 24 hours) again and
again. There is _no_ way that this is based entirely on demand. Even the
radio stations can't get away with playing the same song seven times a day.
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quoted 4 lines more subtle, it's corporate conspiracy. A big reason why techno is not up> more subtle, it's corporate conspiracy. A big reason why techno is not up
> there in the Top40 is because it's on SMALL labels run by SMALL businesses,
> rarely corps. Aphex is getting recognition (exposure) know because he's on
> a BIGGER label, not because the viewers/masses requested him. So he's being
exactly. it's ridiculous to expect the listeners to dictate what succeeds
and fails *unless* the listeners are exposed to something. if no one has
seen an aphex album in a store, heard the song on a radio show, or seen a
video, how are they supposed to dictate whether or not he succeeds? they
can't.
quoted 5 lines given a chance like Metallica did, but there will be unequal exposure...> given a chance like Metallica did, but there will be unequal exposure...
> Popularity of music is not due totally to the interest/disinterest of the
> masses; it's moreso due to the industry. Only a small number of people even
> heard of Aphex Twin. This is due to the industry! Not because the masses
> don't request it! HOW CAN THEY REQUEST SOMETHING THEY HAVEN'T HEARD???
:-) i just read this after saying the same thing above!
quoted 6 lines Don't call us elite simply because we are a small people powerfully trying> Don't call us elite simply because we are a small people powerfully trying
> to expose the masses to the music that we play. There are those of us who
> get so frustrated with the industry sometimes that they seem like arrogant
> elitist jerks, but this should not affect the music or the mass' decisions
> and opinions on the music itself. So those who indeed DO have that attitude
> of "The top40 you listen to is crap; here, listen to some REAL music" can't
which, contrary to what some people on here probably think, isn't myself.
while i certainly feel that most of it is, i also recognize that it's
subjective and that some of it's really good. and also that some techno
absolutely sucks.
quoted 5 lines Anyway, I hope atleast some of this post has valid points which disprove> Anyway, I hope atleast some of this post has valid points which disprove
> your theory that "techno deserves to be right where it is."
> How can it deserve to be there when the ladder hasn't been raised to give
> it a chance to climb??? The major force which raises this ladder is the
> industry, not the music quality or choice of the masses. That's my argument.
and a fine argument it is.
for Adam, who likes Pearl Jam :-), i have no problem that you like Pearl
Jam. I don't, and for _myself_ I would have to be off my wahootie to like
it, but i fully expect that some people might really like it. hell, i like
Beck. who am I to talk, right? :)
- Dan
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