I think he's a little surprised that you're out of high school
By the way, I wasn't trying to avoid criticism by pointing out you're not
exactly free from snark yourself. Just sayin' you're not responding too
well considering all that's happened is that your precious movie's been
criticised
-----Original Message-----
From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:50 PM
I don't uncertain of your intent. Please explain. Are you trolling? Or am I
the cause of a misunderstanding regarding my age?
zaq
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:45:05 -0500
From: mr.threv@gmail.com
you're -17 years old? holy shit that's awesome
Shiggy Shiggy Shiggy, can't you see? Sometimes your games just hypnotize
me...
2008/11/13 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
Yes I realize that I want to disseminate information. Yes I have no interest
in a complete hijacking of another list for OT post. It is a good place to
get things started. I've been on this list for over 10 years. Yes I have
interest in discussion. Yes I am 18-35 and snarky as hell. Thats what makes
me cool doncha know. (Partial joke. I can understand how pointing out
negativity is in someways negative itself. I think the reversal of feedback
in the "Well, you did it too," is a sophmoric manuaver to avoid crtisicm and
I sincerely aplaud you for the attept. Good job.) No I dont belive in
utopia. I think utopia implies perfection. No I dont think Zeitgeist is a
final vision or perfect in anyway.
In somways your interpretation is correct. What I consider your overall spin
is incorrect. My purpose is to generate discussion, then move on to a place
in whiich the discussion is not disturbing to others.
Your feedback has been invaluable.
Thank you Sam,
zaq
Ps. I created the group today right before I posted it here. I did it
because of intial feedback regarding the creation of off topic subjects.
Please feel free to continue the conversation if you like. As I am sure you
know you are free to do what you like.
quoted 2 lines From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:21:02 +0900
> Can I interpret this as being your way of saying "actually I only wanted
to> promote my new list, I'd already made up my mind about the movie &
didn't actually want to *discuss* it, especially if it was going to end in
people criticising it as being a utopian view, because I would prefer to
think of it as not being unattainably utopian"?
quoted 1 line I particularly like the way you criticise snark & then make a snarky
> I particularly like the way you criticise snark & then make a snarky
remark of your own
quoted 1 line Let me ask, do you fit into your own definition of the "snarky"
> Let me ask, do you fit into your own definition of the "snarky"
demographic? "Catherine" doesn't sound like a particularly masculine name to
me by the way...
quoted 4 lines -----Original Message-----
> > -----Original Message-----
> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:58 PM
> > I think this is a romantic vision of primitivism. I am uncertain if this
would classify as Utopia. Then again I don't really believe in any utopian
systems.
quoted 1 line Anyhow. I do think this conversation may be going on to long Off Topic.
> > Anyhow. I do think this conversation may be going on to long Off Topic.
And i understand people like to have fun with it; because its very cool to
be snarky and cleverly pessimistic. It is an especially high ranking status
symbol for 18-35 year old men in our culture. Good job guys! I've stirred up
all the discussion I want to here. If anyone is interested in joining a
earnest discussion (or talking more shit) about creating a workable future
for all join me here:
quoted 1 line > > http://groups.google.com/group/zeitgeistmovement?lnk=gcimh
quoted 1 line Long live the metavirus,
> > Long live the metavirus,quoted 1 line zaq
> > zaqquoted 3 lines Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:55:20 -0500
> > > > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:55:20 -0500
> > From: cexwell@gmail.com
> > > the path to the utopian dream is so easy! continue with things the way
they are, occasionally debate about how bad it sucks, and wait for the oil
to run out.. or at least require more energy to get out of the ground than
the extracted oil would provide.
quoted 1 line without the oil, the population will not be able to stay at its
> > > without the oil, the population will not be able to stay at its
current level.
quoted 1 line those who survive the massive die-off get to live in utopia.>
> > > those who survive the massive die-off get to live in utopia.>quoted 2 lines 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com
> > > > 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com
> > > > The first half-hour is about the fractional reserve monetary system
and how it doesn't work. Then it goes into how debt created by the
fractional reserve system is used to create wage-slaves and exploit
third-world countries. The last part gives a vision of the future based on a
resource based economy.
quoted 1 line From what I am understanding you are saying that the fractional
> > > > From what I am understanding you are saying that the fractional
reserve explanation makes sense, but that debt-slavery/exploitation and
resource economies don't? Do you have a solution? Or do you think that the
fraction reserve monetary system is the best we can get?
quoted 1 line Thanks for the input,
> > > > Thanks for the input,quoted 1 line zaq
> > > > zaqquoted 3 lines Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:27:37 +0000
> > > > > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:27:37 +0000
> > > > From: catmail_2004@yahoo.ie
> > > > > i agree - anything after the first half an hour was shitequoted 3 lines From: Sam Marginson (FORUM8) <sam@forum8.co.jp
> > > > > > From: Sam Marginson (FORUM8) <sam@forum8.co.jp
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 12 November, 2008 6:34:20
> > > > > > I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had
some merits - the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat
interesting.. however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian
dream at the end
quoted 4 lines -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
> > > > > > > Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its
because you have a bias. In that case I will ignore you.
quoted 2 lines Thanks for being clear,
> > > > > > > Thanks for being clear,
> > > > > > > zaqquoted 2 lines Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
> > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
> > > > > From: rick@glowdot.com
> > > > > > > > > Charles Goodwin wrote:
quoted 1 line Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset
> > > > > > > > > Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset
every time anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the
same thing used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.
quoted 1 line Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE:
> > > > > > > > > > Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE:
FW: RE: OMG ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list,
that's why.
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