I don't uncertain of your intent. Please explain. Are you trolling? Or am I the cause of a misunderstanding regarding my age?
zaq
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:45:05 -0500
From: mr.threv@gmail.com
To: roachgod69@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)
CC: idm@hyperreal.org
you're -17 years old? holy shit that's awesome
Shiggy Shiggy Shiggy, can't you see? Sometimes your games just hypnotize me...
2008/11/13 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
Yes I realize that I want to disseminate information. Yes I have no interest in a complete hijacking of another list for OT post. It is a good place to get things started. I've been on this list for over 10 years. Yes I have interest in discussion. Yes I am 18-35 and snarky as hell. Thats what makes me cool doncha know. (Partial joke. I can understand how pointing out negativity is in someways negative itself. I think the reversal of feedback in the "Well, you did it too," is a sophmoric manuaver to avoid crtisicm and I sincerely aplaud you for the attept. Good job.) No I dont belive in utopia. I think utopia implies perfection. No I dont think Zeitgeist is a final vision or perfect in anyway.
In somways your interpretation is correct. What I consider your overall spin is incorrect. My purpose is to generate discussion, then move on to a place in whiich the discussion is not disturbing to others.
Your feedback has been invaluable.
Thank you Sam,
zaq
Ps. I created the group today right before I posted it here. I did it because of intial feedback regarding the creation of off topic subjects. Please feel free to continue the conversation if you like. As I am sure you know you are free to do what you like.
quoted 1 line From: sam@forum8.co.jp> To: idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:21:02 +0900
> From: sam@forum8.co.jp> To: idm@hyperreal.org> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:21:02 +0900> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)> > Can I interpret this as being your way of saying "actually I only wanted to> promote my new list, I'd already made up my mind about the movie & didn't> actually want to *discuss* it, especially if it was going to end in people> criticising it as being a utopian view, because I would prefer to think of> it as not being unattainably utopian"?> > I particularly like the way you criticise snark & then make a snarky remark> of your own> > Let me ask, do you fit into your own definition of the "snarky" demographic?> "Catherine" doesn't sound like a particularly masculine name to me by the> way...> > -----Original Message-----> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:58 PM> To: idm hyperreal> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum> > > > I think this is a romantic vision of primitivism. I am uncertain if this> would classify as Utopia. Then again I don't really believe in any utopian> systems.> > Anyhow. I do think this conversation may be going on to long Off Topic. And> i understand people like to have fun with it; because its very cool to be> snarky and cleverly pessimistic. It is an especially high ranking status> symbol for 18-35 year old men in our culture. Good job guys! I've stirred up> all the discussion I want to here. If anyone is interested in joining a> earnest discussion (or talking more shit) about creating a workable future> for all join me here:> > http://groups.google.com/group/zeitgeistmovement?lnk=gcimh> > Long live the metavirus,> zaq> > > > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:55:20 -0500> > From: cexwell@gmail.com> > To: idm@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum> > > > the path to the utopian dream is so easy! continue with things the way> they> > are, occasionally debate about how bad it sucks, and wait for the oil to> run> > out.. or at least require more energy to get out of the ground than the> > extracted oil would provide.> > > > without the oil, the population will not be able to stay at its current> > level.> > > > those who survive the massive die-off get to live in utopia.> > > > > > 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>> > > > >> > > The first half-hour is about the fractional reserve monetary system and> how> > > it doesn't work. Then it goes into how debt created by the fractional> > > reserve system is used to create wage-slaves and exploit third-world> > > countries. The last part gives a vision of the future based on a> > > resource based economy.> > >> > >> > >> > > From what I am understanding you are saying that the fractional reserve> > > explanation makes sense, but that debt-slavery/exploitation and resource> > > economies don't? Do you have a solution? Or do you think that the> fraction> > > reserve monetary system is the best we can get?> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks for the input,> > >> > > zaq> > >> > > > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:27:37 +0000> > > > From: catmail_2004@yahoo.ie> > > > To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm@hyperreal.org> > > > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum> > > >> > > > i agree - anything after the first half an hour was shite> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From: Sam Marginson (FORUM8) <sam@forum8.co.jp>> > > > To: idm hyperreal <idm@hyperreal.org>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 12 November, 2008 6:34:20> > > > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum> > > >> > > > I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some> merits -> > > > the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat> > > interesting.. however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian> dream at the end> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM> > > > To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal> > > > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum> > > >> > > >> > > > Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because you> have a> > > > bias. In that case I will ignore you.> > > >> > > > Thanks for being clear,> > > > zaq> > > >> > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800> > > > > From: rick@glowdot.com> > > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum> > > > >> > > > > Charles Goodwin wrote:> > > > > > Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every> time> > > > anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same> thing> > > > used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.> > > > > >> > > > > Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE: OMG> > > > > ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list,> that's why.> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org>
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