in ways i agree in ways I disagree. I know many people with the same programs who produce a wide range of different things. You can get any program that runs VST's and go through sites of homemade, free VST's, download a boatload of obscure ones that all do different things, and learn how to use them in bizzare ways. Its a hell of a lot cheaper than buying gear. Plus Pro-Tools LE is such an awfully constricting program and ass backwards for someone just diving into sound engineering to learn. But yes, definately don't model your sounds off of other music. As Richard James and Ralph Hutter both say "I don't listen to music." As in they don't let other people's music influence there music. In an interview with Ralph he said he gets almost all of his influence from nature.
nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: ya know, it's funny...
i read the initial posting by StaticBeats and thought "that's pretty fucking
cool..."
and then i saw how many were responding, though not reading them, and
thought "damn, this is a wicked list. an upstart calls out and his needs
are answered in earnest..."
*lord have mercy on the weak, wretched souls that talk down to those who
move in new directions. amen.*
to add, i would say this to the StaticB Jr..... DON'T DO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE
ARE DOING!!!!
if you get the same midi-keyboard and software as everyone else you will
sound just like the rest (though not to say that mastery of such tools
cannot certainly bring endless inovation)...
i would say take a unique approach... this is what i did for years...
download ProTools free software (a very userfriendly, 8 track recording
software with friendly pan and volume controls) and get some old weird
electronic toys and gear and a microphone and some pots and pans and an fm
radio and try to make something new from the start. take a different
approach that will lead more directly to something unique. hell, anything
using a microphone is "electronic"!
yes, a lot of the other submissions will sound GREAT, but they will sound
the same. though i know nothing of this program, i would bank that you may
have better luck submitting something much more rougharoundtheedges, but
with class and dignity...
: >
quoted 118 lines From: Andrew Giessel
>From: Andrew Giessel
>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [idm] Student of Electronic Music requests help
>Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:49:56 -0500 (EST)
>
>there is no excuse for discouraging honest artistic effort; there is no age
>past which one can not create beauty. if everyone gave up because there was
>someone more skilled or more experianced in making their own type of art,
>nothing would ever be made. feel free to express your negativity someplace
>else.
>
>back to the topic- i highly suggest checking out ableton- it's not perfect
>for everything, but its easy to grasp and one can quickly get ideas onto a
>computer. just spend about a month with it and just see what happens. it
>won't be mind blowing to start, but if you're really into it, its the
>begining of a process that you'll be on for years.
>
>peace,
>
>giessel.
>
>--
>
>Andrew Giessel
>http://giessel.com [url]
>andrew@giessel.com [email]
>andrewgiessel [aim]
>
>On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Chork the Jangler wrote:
>
>>tell him he's too late -- the people who were fascinated with this
>>stuff in their youth when most people were busy dreaming of firetrucks
>>have been composing since then, having come to the correct conclusion
>>much earlier than him, and so have better technique by now. it would
>>be pointless to compete with this unless he's got the drive and the
>>passion to self motivate enough to teach himself. any teacher that has
>>to judge the relative merits of 150 undergrad IDM fanboys' demos
>>(shudder) will know in an instant that this guy is just trying to hack
>>something together to get in the class, rather than demonstrating long
>>hours of hard work and creative efforts.
>>
>>it can be done but imho it's unlikely given that his first impulse was
>>to ask teh internot for help rather than DOING IT.
>>
>>yes, i'm a jerk -- feel free to address that in a seperate thread.
>>
>>On 12/6/05, StaticBeats wrote:
>>>Hey all, my younger brother posted this to the Forum
>>>on StaticBeats. I'm not much a music maker so I don't
>>>know where to direct him. I know there are forums out
>>>there and discussion lists where these type of answers
>>>exist. Any insight or help you can offer is
>>>appreciated. See below.
>>>
>>>I'm at the tail end of my first quarter at UCSC, and
>>>yesterday I took my final in my favorite course of the
>>>quarter: "History of Electronic Music."
>>>
>>>I'm sure my brother knows how much I enjoyed the
>>>course, because I called him after almost every
>>>session to tell him what cool stuff I learned.
>>>
>>>My experience in that class helped me decide that I
>>>wanted to take my knowledge of music deeper (I play
>>>guitar...)
>>>
>>>So I've decided to minor in electronic music... Very
>>>Happy
>>>
>>>Hopefully the courses provided through UCSC will be
>>>good, but I have a feeling they will be because most
>>>of the professors in the department were deeply
>>>involved in the startup companies (E-Mu specifically)
>>>and knew Bob Moog personally, and some even knew Leon
>>>Theremin!! (Some of these dudes are pretty old.)
>>>
>>>To cut a long story short, I cannot proceed with my
>>>studies of electronic music until next year, because
>>>the program excludes freshmen. To increase my chances
>>>of getting into the program (25 are allowed out of the
>>>150 or so that apply yearly) I need to compose a few
>>>tracks of my own.
>>>
>>>However, in the class, we only got tutorials on
>>>expensive software, and I still seem to have trouble
>>>getting the sounds I want from the program I'm using
>>>currently (Re-birth, though I hope to upgrade to
>>>Reason sometime soon...)
>>>
>>>So if any of you can give me some tips on composition,
>>>or just want to talk about the history of this genre,
>>>write back
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>--
>>>~Elan
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