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Adam Piontek
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Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:18:47 -0400
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Re: [idm] fiction reading, writing
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The art of music just isn't really comparable to the art of writing, except perhaps abstract poetry. Writing is about telling a story; it tickles the social/psychological part of our brain. Except for songwriting, music is chiefly about creating pleasing/interesting sounds. It touches one of our senses directly. As for creating something that didn't exist before, *ALL* fiction writing is fantasy to a certain extent. It's all creating lies from nothing. I always just figured IDM/electronic music had ties to sci-fi because the creators of each have their heads in the same clouds and think about similar things. -adam piontek On Oct 20, 2004, at 8:33 PM, dobri wrote:
quoted 129 lines i'm talking about the technicalities of writing and reading about> i'm talking about the technicalities of writing and reading about > NON-EXISTENT (so far) worlds and creating sounds which didn't exist > before the speaker played them. i'm not concerned at all with how > realistic a sci-fi, cyberpunk, space-opera, lsd-novel, etc is. in the > same way, sounds coming from a synthesizer are artificially-produced > but are not less real than those coming from a piano. you should not > confuse "real", "realistic", "artificial", and "synthetic". > > see, when you play the guitar, the vibration is part of the qualities > of the strings and the wooden-box. you can actually hear the strings > vibrating, and the wooden box reinforcing the sound-wave. it's part of > nature that you're listening to. in contrast, the synthesizer doesn't > possess any good accoustic characteristics. it, however, can create > certain electromagnetic fields which provoke a speaker membrane to > vibrate. > > the worlds of william gibson don't exist in reality, do they? he > didn't go out, saw a guy with chips in his head and steel bones and > said, "dude, let's write a novel about that guy over there!" or maybe > you can make the argument that certain people can see directly in the > future as it is going to be? i doubt it. > > anyway. maybe you should just fuck this topic, it became too > theoretical. > > dobri > > > Robert Feuchtl wrote: > >> >>> >>> in the same way, science-fiction reality happens in our minds for >>> the first time when we read it. this reality is not one that the >>> writers saw in the real world. it is a complitely synthetically >>> fabricated world which the writers weave according to their own >>> imagination and then record into paper and harddisks in order our >>> brains to give life to it later. >>> >>> that's how electronic music and science-fiction are similar in >>> "artificiality" and that's probably one of the reasons why so many >>> people enjoy these genres. >> >> >> iґm sorry friend. canґt agree with that. the scifi I mostly always >> admired is sometimes a predicted future, yes but not necessarily >> artifial nature (jack vance is quite hippie / fantasy stuff in a >> sophisticated scientific way)... I am simply fascinated by the >> possibilties of the future (frank herbert, p.k. dick). they feedback >> backwards towards our life. sci fi was an hatred genre because ppl >> thought it has nothing to do with their lifes.. this made the authors >> of these times even more mad about writing real shit.. that, and the >> (re)discovery of drugs and psychology, zen-philosophy etc. in the >> early 60ies towards the late 60ies layed the ground for the golden >> age of scifi which definetly was in that era. and john brunner is a >> fucking genious of giving real life stories a dark and thrilling >> psychologic twist.. i donґt understand why nobody ever plundered his >> books for film. aynways, thats also scifi and absolutely not >> artificial... >> >> i think its just the slick black / silver polished spaceships and an >> affection for high-tec we have since getting paralyzed by THX1138, >> blade runner and alien ... :) >> >> is "stalker" scifi? is it artificial? :) >> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> well, that's for now, >>> dobri >>> >>> >>> "The best way to predict the future is to go (mentally) in the >>> direction in which our fears grow." >> >> >> yeah. but I totally agree with that... :) >> >>> "What some people perceive as the End of the World, for History is >>> just the sign that Future is coming." >> >> >> u should have told that to the dinosaurs ;) >> >>> >>> >>> seek wrote: >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Enquiries" >>>>> My own recommendations: >>>>> Jorge Luis Borges - anything, but particularly the collection >>>>> called >>>>> Labyrinths, not sci-fi, but what the heck, deals with the infinite >>>>> Thomas Pynchon - has to be Gravity's Rainbow really. >>>>> Samuel R. Delaney - dhalgren, don't know where to start, just read >>>>> it. >>>>> Jeff Noon - the earlier ones, particularly Vurt and Pollen. >>>>> Donald Barthelme - again not really sci-fi, but freaky enough to >>>>> include. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now ~that~ is a worthwhile reading list. >>>> >>>> seek >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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