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Date:
Sat, 22 Feb 2003 21:33:55 +0000
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[idm] Computers as Artists [was Re: [idm] IDM LIST SUGGESTION ------ EVERYONE PLEASE READ]
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quoted 9 lines Some people like mailing lists. That's why we have IDM, IDM-Moderated and> > Some people like mailing lists. That's why we have IDM, IDM-Moderated and > countless others. > > Some people like message boards. That's why we have the ones at Planet Mu, > Neo Ouija, Warp and countless others. > > Some people like both, and are free to participate in both types of forums > as they see fit.
Spoken like a true Information Designer. The ideal feed would be spread across all three of course, so the archive would also allow people to post to it, and the posts would appears on the mailing list and usenet. Then think how much noise we would have on the list! You'd then have to have your agent filter it all for you and select what it thought was suitable for you. Of course then would you be deciding your tastes or would your agent? What if the agent had first 'learnt' from humans? Greg has touched on the point of human perception here, which we apply to music all the time on this list [I like old Autechre, well I like new Autechre being the most common, and neither having the right answer] [And, here is my tangent, before someone accuses me of IDM list noise ... ] Is this the same argument between computer generative music and human composed music as valid art forms? Because something has not had a human hand directly at play in it does it make it less creative, less intelligent? I suppose this is also the laptop performances thread - "But they just press a button and it does it all for them" vs "They are subtly altering the nuances of what you hear but your individual perception doesn't allow you to take that in and instead you look for some physical sign of that involvement". I'm just kind of rambling, but what are your thoughts on computer generated music [as opposed to music generated by humans controlling computers] I know a few people on this list work with software like Max, and wonder if they perceive creating generative music programs within it as the act of composition, just composition on a more abstracted level than most listeners are used to perceiving? In other news, 26 Mixes for Cash [Aphex Twin] is here, but I'm finding it quite dull. It's also quite beautiful, but I keep on finding myself ignoring it. The Chocolate Coins that warp are doing as Promo Items are quite funny. I'll try and listen to it again. "Sickle Cell Hysteria" on the new Beans album is wicked. on 22/2/03 9:08 pm the person going by the name Greg Clow at greg@stainedproductions.com spake :
quoted 26 lines The idea of shutting down one in favour of the other is fucking stupid,> The idea of shutting down one in favour of the other is fucking stupid, > especially when the one which is being suggested for shut-down is quite > likely the oldest continuously existing online discussion forum for this > type of music. > > If the signal-to-noise ratio on the list isn't working out well for > someone, they should either unsubscribe or get some email software with a > proper filtering utility and spend 15 minutes learning how to use it. > > > Greg > > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com > ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com > :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com > ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com > ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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