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From:
Ed Tyler
To:
Chris Bellevie
Cc:
Clint Anderson , Zombiefly , IDM
Date:
Thu, 24 May 2018 18:15:39 +0100
Subject:
Re: ken downie of the black dog -- homophobic rant?
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:-( Double mega fail! Thanks for the update, disappointing stuff there. On 18:13, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 179 lines Just listened through all of Black Daisy Wheel stream on Bandcamp and> Just listened through all of Black Daisy Wheel stream on Bandcamp and > really like it quite a bit. It's really hard to separate the music from > comments like that :( > > On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with >> the shit show. >> >> >> >> From one user: >> im getting oddness too, think someone may have deleted something?? but >> just to stop conspiricy stories, i happen to still have it in another tab. >> >> it was me, it was real, >> >> I cant tell you if its still there, because he blocked me, >> but go back to the 17 or 18/12/2017 and see if its still there. >> his exact comment was along the line of "Gay men are cancer for kids" >> i think, if i recall, it was all based on a case of an adopted child >> being killed by the adopted parent ? >> >> which descended into a new world order, trump love-in with a huge "all >> gay men are paedophiles and murder kids" twist. >> >> As a gay guy, i was quite open in arguing with him, he lost it, posted a >> load of stuff on my personal page (we were FB friends), then deleted it all >> and blocked me. >> >> i shoudl add, i wasnt intending to shit stir either, its water under the >> bridge, it was a comment on a FB friends post, which happened to be in this >> group, about the new BlackDog album, which i made the comment on, in >> passing. >> >> its not like ive got some axe to grind as such >> >> But, re:above, yes i can seperate artist from art,but when said artist >> has attacked you personally online, and it becomes personal, that does tend >> to colour your view. its not an abstract concept. >> >> I -am - a huge fan of the early black dog stuff, I bought it all , BYTES >> was my go to album for a good while, i loved that stuff, I still do, >> nothings changed there >> --- >> he deleted the lot. >> it certainly isn't me that's posting it to the IDM list, but at the same >> time, i'm not going to deny it happend, because it did >> >> i dont have grabs etc because he deleted the personal stuff he posted on >> my page (i woke up to a wodge of notifications of page posts) and blocked >> me. >> >> I do have the message i sent, to someone who knows him, who i dont want >> to involve in this, asking if they wanted to check on Ken, make sure he was >> ok, was this out of character etc, >> but i'm not about to share that and drag someone into year and a bit old >> drama! >> >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's totally >>> bullshit and false and my apologies for bringing it up in the first place >>> >>> >>> Clint Anderson >>> Systems Engineer >>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their >>>> friends list then maybe it's still there? >>>> >>>> On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, >>>>> although I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him >>>>> comment on at all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested >>>>> in (I actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live >>>>> cassette Ken sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the >>>>> list) >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had >>>>>> posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in >>>>>> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc >>>>>> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie recently >>>>>> went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being pedophiles >>>>>> and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" >>>>>> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black >>>>>> Dog group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie >>>>>> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a little >>>>>> too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break my heart >>>>>> so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Where did you hear this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band >>>>>>> ever commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >>>>>>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >>>>>>> tracks were included? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank >>>>>>>> their album sales or something that's just messed up >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>>>>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that >>>>>>>>>>>> mr ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >