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From:
Chris Bellevie
To:
Clint Anderson
Cc:
Zombiefly , Ed Tyler , IDM
Date:
Thu, 24 May 2018 10:12:39 -0700
Subject:
Re: ken downie of the black dog -- homophobic rant?
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Just listened through all of Black Daisy Wheel stream on Bandcamp and really like it quite a bit. It's really hard to separate the music from comments like that :( On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 172 lines Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with the> Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with the > shit show. > > > > From one user: > im getting oddness too, think someone may have deleted something?? but > just to stop conspiricy stories, i happen to still have it in another tab. > > it was me, it was real, > > I cant tell you if its still there, because he blocked me, > but go back to the 17 or 18/12/2017 and see if its still there. > his exact comment was along the line of "Gay men are cancer for kids" > i think, if i recall, it was all based on a case of an adopted child being > killed by the adopted parent ? > > which descended into a new world order, trump love-in with a huge "all gay > men are paedophiles and murder kids" twist. > > As a gay guy, i was quite open in arguing with him, he lost it, posted a > load of stuff on my personal page (we were FB friends), then deleted it all > and blocked me. > > i shoudl add, i wasnt intending to shit stir either, its water under the > bridge, it was a comment on a FB friends post, which happened to be in this > group, about the new BlackDog album, which i made the comment on, in > passing. > > its not like ive got some axe to grind as such > > But, re:above, yes i can seperate artist from art,but when said artist has > attacked you personally online, and it becomes personal, that does tend to > colour your view. its not an abstract concept. > > I -am - a huge fan of the early black dog stuff, I bought it all , BYTES > was my go to album for a good while, i loved that stuff, I still do, > nothings changed there > --- > he deleted the lot. > it certainly isn't me that's posting it to the IDM list, but at the same > time, i'm not going to deny it happend, because it did > > i dont have grabs etc because he deleted the personal stuff he posted on > my page (i woke up to a wodge of notifications of page posts) and blocked > me. > > I do have the message i sent, to someone who knows him, who i dont want to > involve in this, asking if they wanted to check on Ken, make sure he was > ok, was this out of character etc, > but i'm not about to share that and drag someone into year and a bit old > drama! > > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings > > > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's totally >> bullshit and false and my apologies for bringing it up in the first place >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >> >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their >>> friends list then maybe it's still there? >>> >>> On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that, >>>> although I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him >>>> comment on at all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested >>>> in (I actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live >>>> cassette Ken sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the >>>> list) >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had >>>>> posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in >>>>> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc >>>>> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie recently >>>>> went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being pedophiles >>>>> and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon" >>>>> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black >>>>> Dog group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie >>>>> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a little >>>>> too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break my heart >>>>> so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie <c.bellevie@gmail.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Where did you hear this? >>>>>> >>>>>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band >>>>>> ever commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work >>>>>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's >>>>>> tracks were included? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank their >>>>>>> album sales or something that's just messed up >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i dunno i can't believe it >>>>>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie < >>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Say it ain't so! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :( >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that >>>>>>>>>>> mr ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant >>>>>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on >>>>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >