property is theft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHSH9rUqTpw
Clint Anderson
Systems Engineer
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 211 lines piracy is theft. or else, instead of calling it piracy, it'd be called
> piracy is theft. or else, instead of calling it piracy, it'd be called
> "happy free giveaways from people who work their ass off on their art".
> yes, it is that black and white.
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> heh, not gonna say anything other than that google will provide you with
>> more music sharing 0dayz sites than you will ever be able to shake any
>> number of sticks at
>>
>> personally i enjoy buying records and listening to clicks and pops too
>> much to pirate everything but i do really insist on at least streaming the
>> entire release before i drop what is sometimes as much as $40 on a release
>> (SYRO was $32.99!)
>>
>> im not pro-file-sharing sites i just think its ridiculous that there is a
>> interview process and invites for something that literally couldn't be
>> easier to find or even trip over its so common
>>
>>
>> Clint Anderson
>> Systems Engineer
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Juho: Do you have a good rebuttal to the "ends justifying the means"
>>> argument concerning piracy and its potential benefits? I'm all ears. Let's
>>> just stay away from blatant misrepresentations of each other's views.
>>>
>>> Tris: I'd send you one if I had an invite to give, but unfortunately I
>>> don't. Trackers tend to be rather conservative when handing those out. The
>>> other method is to take the IRC interview and test, which is how I ended up
>>> joining. It's a little tedious (~3 hours or so) but it isn't too difficult
>>> in terms of content. Just know the basic file formats and the like. There's
>>> a number of resources online if you're interested enough.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Tristan Strange <
>>> tristan.strange@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't know if this is the place to ask but.....
>>>>
>>>> Is any one capable of inviting me to these services?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Tris
>>>>
>>>> On 20 October 2014 17:15, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i like to make generalised sweeping statements about an entire
>>>>> industry based on my habits too
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 Oct 2014, at 15:56, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I AM GROOT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 October 2014 16:55, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> just follow him on facebook. you'll soon get to realise what he
>>>>>> thinks of the music industry and the middleman. Don't get me wrong here,
>>>>>> piracy is bad, my point is that waffles/what.cd caused my music
>>>>>> purchasing to rise, not fall. but then that's just me... do you think that
>>>>>> sites have cause a drop in sales? do you think that the people pirating
>>>>>> would purchase if piracy wasn't an option? i think a small percentage would
>>>>>> but the others would just find some other way of getting music for free..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 October 2014 14:39, Esa J. Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can You direct us to an interview with A Guy Called Gerald?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On 20 Oct 2014, at 15:33, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > to be fair, spotify and youtube weren't around when i joined OiNK.
>>>>>>> > it's only recently that these services have taken off. I hardly use
>>>>>>> > torrents any more, i've purchased all my needs from the past now
>>>>>>> and i
>>>>>>> > continue to buy new stuff on bandcamp etc. It was the music
>>>>>>> industry
>>>>>>> > that failed to respond to the internet, so don't blame OiNKers for
>>>>>>> > creating something to force their hand. Rules are simple, if you
>>>>>>> > download, then purchase from the artist directly. Paying the major
>>>>>>> > companies for anything is even worse. the artist gets virtually
>>>>>>> none
>>>>>>> > of that. Go speak to A Guy Called Gerald and ask him what he
>>>>>>> thinks of
>>>>>>> > the music industry :)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> On 20/10/2014, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> internet music wankers (tm)
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> “but i wouldnt discover things if i didnt copy them at first” is
>>>>>>> the most
>>>>>>> >> 80s argument i know of. hey we have things like youtube and
>>>>>>> spotify in the
>>>>>>> >> 2000s, hope you’ll join us here, connor..
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>> On 13 Oct 2014, at 09:13, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> im bad with ratios and whatnots so i would just go there to find
>>>>>>> comments
>>>>>>> >>> on my own releases.
>>>>>>> >>> that's what i used what.cd for, i think.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On 13 October 2014 08:24, Connor Higgins <
>>>>>>> connor1higgins@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> Still ethically shaky regardless of accepting that it as such.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> it's only a quagmire if you don't want to accept piracy is
>>>>>>> disrespectful.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On 10/13/2014 3:22 PM, Connor Higgins wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> If it's anything like what.cd <http://what.cd>, just make sure
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> >>> picky in your selections and seed generously. No need to fill
>>>>>>> requests
>>>>>>> >>> or upload unless you're going overboard with your "purchases".
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> If this ends up turning into one of those rehashed discussions
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> >>> merits and moral qualms associated with pirating music, then
>>>>>>> here are my
>>>>>>> >>> two cents: I wouldn't know 2/3's of the artists I currently
>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>> >>> monetarily if I hadn't nicked some of their work illegally. Do
>>>>>>> the ends
>>>>>>> >>> justify the means? How should I know? Let the ethicists in their
>>>>>>> ivory
>>>>>>> >>> towers navigate that quagmire. I just listen to music.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Sam Loschl <
>>>>>>> watercat1996@gmail.com
>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:watercat1996@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> anybody on waffles? just got an invite, looking for friends
>>>>>>> or any
>>>>>>> >>> advice you'd have for a novice. first private tracker i've
>>>>>>> had the
>>>>>>> >>> opportunity to join
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> sam`
>>>>>>> >>> 808cat
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>> >>> Sham Beam
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > _____________________________________________
>>>>>>> > Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K
>>>>>>> > _____________________________________________
>>>>>>> > noise I make:
>>>>>>> > http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin
>>>>>>> > http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > noise I like:
>>>>>>> > http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > sites I run:
>>>>>>> > http://www.ctran.co.uk
>>>>>>> > http://o-fu-online.net
>>>>>>> > -------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K
>>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>> noise I make:
>>>>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin
>>>>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> noise I like:
>>>>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sites I run:
>>>>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk
>>>>>> http://o-fu-online.net
>>>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>>>
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