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From:
Billy Stiltner
To:
Idm@Hyperreal. Org , Kurt Hoffman
Date:
Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:22:14 -0400
Subject:
RE: [idm] [OT] 12 tone?
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. the 'problem' of 12-tone music is
quoted 3 lines that takes a scale thats not particularly in tune to begin with> that takes a scale thats not particularly in tune to begin with > (equal temperament) and generates a thicket of sound that baffles the > ears.
ive never heard of 12 tone being non equally tempered heres my idea of 12 tone music not that anyone on this list gives a hoot about my ideas: "an atonal style of music in which theres a systematic avoidance of a tonal center" here are certain procedures in shoenbbergs ideas before he developed 12 tone compositions: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- 1.avoidance of the 8ve, either as melodic component or harmonic interval 2. avoidance of traditional pitch collections, that is, any that might suggest major or minor triads, and hence a tonic 3. avoidance of more than three succesive pitches that might be identified with the same diatonic scale 4. use of wide-ranging and extremely disjunct melodies ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ the principles mentioned above continued to hold true in much of shoenberg's 12 tone music his system was designed to methodically equalize all pitches of the dodecaphonic scale by the following means: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------- 1. A twelve tone composistion is to be based on arrangement or series of the 12 pitches that is detemined by the composer. This arrangement is the tone row or set 2. No pitch may be repeated until all other pitches have been sounded. There is one exception to this restriction: a pitch may be repreated immediately after it is heard. Repitition may also occur within the context of a trill or tremolo figure. 3. The tone row may, within the confines of the system, legitimately be used in retrograde (reversed order), inversion (mirroring of each interval), or retrograde inversion (reverse order of the mirrored form). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ -this being said i can see how a composer may choose 12 tones that are un equally tempered as well as 12 tones equally tempered that have unconvetional intervals example of the latter the 1st 12 tones of a 21 tet scale which would sound out of tune could please inform me of some 12 tone songs that do not use equally tempered scales --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org