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From:
Kurt Hoffman
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j snod
Date:
Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:33:32 -0400
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Re: [idm] [OT] 12 tone?
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sarcasm noted... though i'm not sure i agree with your implied point. those wacky asian scales usually being based on obvious points on the overtone series that we can easily hear. the 'problem' of 12-tone music is that takes a scale thats not particularly in tune to begin with (equal temperament) and generates a thicket of sound that baffles the ears. that said, i love a lot of Schoenberg's music. it's full of ideas and you don't have to understand his procedures to get a lot out of the music. k
quoted 20 lines O>O >n Thu, 25 Oct 2001, zachary mastoon wrote: >> this is true. schoenberg used matrices as well as inverted the staff >> vertically or horizontally for thematic variations. from what i understand, > > he'd also create "keys" by constructing triads irregardless of their >> intervallic space- so, for instance, a triad could be c,c#, and d! its >> fascinating from a conceptual standpoint but, at the same time, it's all >> quite fucked when you think about it. :) he basically took wagner or >> stravinsky and erased ALL resolve- well, resolve as people knew it then. > >[sarcasm] > you guys wanna hear something even more wacky and fucked up? >check out some of that "eastern" and "oriental" music coming out, they >only use 5 notes in their scale (aka pentatonic)! it's soooo experimental >and groundbreaking! all those wacky asians are giving a big "FUCK YOU!" >to beethoven! he's gotten boring ever since his "greatest hits" >quadruple 12" anyway... >[/sarcasm] > >-j
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