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jon anderson
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Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:07:29 -0800 (PST)
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Re: [idm] IDM Poll Of The Century
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IDM? Century? ... Can we include favorites that are merely IM? Or just M? I'm confused. I'm not sure about how all the categorization works. "Intelligent Dance Music" doesn't specify "electronic" (IEDM would be a more helpful acronym), but fortunately the poll clarifies this point, by asking for favorite "electronic" music. By asking us for "electronic" favorites, rather than IDM favorites (which is implicite nonetheless), and by specifying a "century", it is suggested that we include the nearly obligatory Stockhausen or John Cage in our lists. This would indicate our open-minded definition of IDM - even though these artists did not make music intended for the dancefloor. They were only IM. One question I have is: Should we include, in our listings, music that was intended for the dancefloor, but isn't considered "electronic"? (like a nice waltz... incidentally, doesn't freeform have a waltz track... on "me shape" maybe? Sadly, the only waltz I can think of off-hand is some IDM track) This would seem fair, since we presumably may include electronic music that isn't dancey. I've been listening to, dancing to, and collecting electronic dance-oriented techno-related type whatchamacallit music since the early 90's, and yet I'm not sure I'm competent to fill out an IDM survey because it seems to require not only an expert knowledge of IDM (a style which, conventionally defined, started much less than 100 years ago), but a comparable knowledge of this century's electronic music. In good conscience, I cannot make this pretense. I know a thing or two about music history, a working knowledge, but I also know enough to know that Reich, Glass, Xenakis, et al are like the "pop" of electronic music. (like Aphex and Autechre are to IDM.) I wouldn't want "just the popular artists to win every time", so I'll have to leave that category out of my voting. It's funny how conceptual categories shape what we see... I could include Led Zeppelin in my list, really. I wouldn't think of it though because Zep isn't in the "electronic" bin at a record shop. History books that I've read usually name Cage as "first electronic music guy", because he used turntables. Music is "electronic" so long as it is produced by instruments with electronics... So obviously, as a category, "electronic music" encompasses much more than what people mean when they say "electronic music". Then there's "digital"... "electro acoustic"... the question of what "danceable" really is... are "synthesizers" essential to a definition of this style... Well, it's confusing enough trying to decide what styles and genres are what, but ultimately, the reason I decided not to fill out the survey is because I had a buying freeze this last year. So I can't come up with an adequate top 10 for year 2000, which disqualifies me. j __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org