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From:
Anthony Papavassiliou
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Date:
Sat, 28 Feb 2015 19:45:46 -0500
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Re: IDM List archives
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(Thanks to others too ^^) 2015-02-28 13:47 GMT-05:00 Anthony Papavassiliou < anthony.papavassiliou@gmail.com>:
quoted 89 lines Thank you so much Brian :)> Thank you so much Brian :) > > 2015-02-27 0:46 GMT-05:00 Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com>: > > > I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre >> > titles... >> >> +1. ..and wasn't it also a slightly derogatory way to describe that music >> as well? >> >> >> >> On 2/27/2015 2:44 PM, c j wrote: >> >>> So I guess that is to say...I know of the when the term was first >>> applied, and to whom...but I don't actually know the answer to your >>> question :| >>> >>> I typically feel it was just someone taking the piss out of genre >>> titles... >>> >>> ...but given that a lot of drill n' bass artists had backgrounds in >>> jungle, and jungle became drum n' bass, I can see these weird techno >>> proto-junglists evolving their own music into it's own drum n' bass >>> derivative, "drill n' bass". I can only neckbeardedly speculate and >>> propose that drills are oft associated not just for their annoying >>> sound, but their propensity and function to "wind up", much in the way >>> intense beat repeating and programming does in drill n' bass. Well, my >>> mind makes that fundamental connection...but would I have called it >>> drill n' bass at the time? Had I been one of the purveyors? I don't >>> think so, so I can't say where the "drill" part really comes from. >>> >>> "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> From: coda27@hotmail.com >>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: RE: IDM List archives >>> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:29:46 -0700 >>> >>> common knowledge (?), but Plug's Drum and Bass for Papa EP is typically >>> considered the first "drill n' bass" album. As to whether or not the >>> term originated around this time/coincided specifically with this >>> release, or was applied at a later date to that album and subsequent >>> artists, I do not know. >>> >>> "23 laughing foxes serenading lobsters" - cody >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:55:28 -0500 >>> Subject: IDM List archives >>> From: anthony.papavassiliou@gmail.com >>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>> >>> Hello list, >>> >>> I'm trying to access to old IDM List archives on >>> http://web.archive.org/, but only some of the topics will open. >>> >>> Do you know where we can browse the entire archives ? If its not done >>> yet, I really think that having a dump somewhere would be great for >>> science :) >>> As an example, I'm trying to find when the first(s) occurence(s) of >>> drill and drill'n'bass appeared. >>> >>> I can reach a 1997 topic by Styrolene VaT >>> http://web.archive.org/web/20071118222100/http://elists. >>> resynthesize.com/idm/1997/01/442429/ >>> >>> But i can not read most of the post that could contain some uses of the >>> word or expression before or after this date. >>> >>> I also found topics with the names "anti-drills" and "drills", later in >>> 1997, but could not read what is inside :( >>> >>> Also, if you have any other information/source from inside or outside >>> the IDM List about the word "drill" from the drill'n'bass, feel free to >>> message me :) >>> >>> A. Papavassiliou >>> >> >> >> -- >> Sham Beam >> >> >> >