Sigh, ok, you got me to type...
In vein with this thread, I would disagree. IDM has several branches. I
am not sure how you want to cut your box, but "glitch" is just one
aspect of IDM.
Assuming it's still IDM to include: BOC, early Ae, yellotone, bonobo,
via tania, bola etc.etc.etc. ; these are all very beautiful and they
implore little, if not no, "sonic noise" [or if they do, its in melodic
context].
With Ae going in this direction, they went into the realm of the mind.
Of the intellectual - the ethereal, conceptual. A stark-dry world of
numbers and pattern-rythms. Kinda like a bad trip while watching some
scary 1984/the borg/matrix/george bush movie strapped to an electric
chair with tweasers in your eyes. Their textures are (still) wonderful,
they are (still) talented at making music with shapes.
Slap me, but I believe most people are not "intelectuals" when they
listen to music, they are emotive. People don't usually dance
'intelectually', its an emotional thing. When you dance for hours [=long
enough to not be self aware], you don't "think" about it, you just do
it, and if the music moves you, it moves your heart/soul/body - not your
mind [disagree with me if you like].
Therefore I believe that music "for most" is something which must move
you. Technique - the intellectual mechanism, is the carrier. In a bad
light: Its the same drive that makes you want to upgrade to have the
latest-fatest computer/car/phone. It's a fad, the new sound, the new
package, the new technique.
However, the essence of music is always the same, it is timeless, I feel
that "music is timeless", just as much as it is "modern".
Of course, any negaive light has equal positive light. And through
"evolution" = technology, comes new means, new sounds, new possabilities
= new inspiration, new depth and complexity = new music.
With noise we get music = "the focus OF the carrier itself", music of
the medium. Music that sounds like its stuck in the computer or my head
is inside the dsp chip... It's like a book on the techniques of
shredding books. Just as valid as another book... that's pretty cool
stuff that people are making things like that, even if its not you or my
cup of tea. And you could say, that to understand anything, you would
need to understand the yin and yang in order to appreciate the whole.
[but thats just my Libra side talking]
The other thread that is in here, mixed into it, is an automatic
association that approachable [emotional] music = pop = sell out. Most
definetly one should not make music to please some concept of another
group, if their motives are not true. Usually one applies the term "pop"
with the connotation that one is making music that "we think other
people will like" - at the expense of one's self. This is a connotation
I would assume everyone was familiar with...? I would be careful to not
connect pop with emotional music. If something moves a lot of people,
thats "good" music, and if it becomes popular because of it, great! but
that is not really "pop" music. Something which is "designed" by a
company to "suit" the tastes of their "market" for a calculated "profit"
margin. yuck.
Make the music that you want to make.
s.
p.s. I was there, Ae in Oakland, and for the record.. it was definetly
horrible... [hehe] lol. But I was expecting it to be, so I wasn't all
that shocked, 5 people were dancing - it was interesting to watch them
cause it looked like they were on an extreme dosage of LS D.
Ae always have played recent or new material live. If you wanted to hear
early stuff live, you would have had to hear them back in 1995... IMHO:
very inspiring live sets back then.
quoted 16 lines A bit narrow-focused perhaps?
> A bit narrow-focused perhaps?
>
> At the exact same time that old-school electro was kickin in the first half of the 80s (and much respect
> to that as I am a big electro fan for sure),
> you also had industrial rock (Neubauten), industrial noise (Merzbow), power-noise (Whitehouse),
> and industrial-dance (Front 242). You had walls of guitar noise (Branca symphonies), shards of
> guitar noise (the No Wave scene>Sonic Youth), improvised guitar noise (Elliott Sharp, Keith Rowe),
> improvised saxophone noise (Borbetomagus), experimental electronic noise (Voice Crack),
> concretist collage and cutup noise (P16D4, Nurse With Wound), shall I go on? And that was the 80s.
>
> I have no patience for people who are still stuck in the prejudice of pro-melodic, anti-noise. This is
> not 1984 anymore, this is 2005, we have worshiped the glitch, the noise scene has merged with metal
> (Sunn) and punk (Melt Banana) and indie rock (Wolf Eyes) and techno (Pansonic), and even Public Enemy
> has brought the noise. If you are still stuck in the 'I can't listen to it unless it's melodic' category, you
> should be listening to the Echoes - oh wait, maybe even Robert Rich and Vidna Obmana still have
> too much noise for you?
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s.
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