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quoted 12 lines yeah, aphex twin is mostly riding off what he used to be. his last cd sucked. "i care

> > yeah, aphex twin is mostly riding off what he used to be. his last cd sucked. "i care > > because you do" sucked except for one or two tracks. Until he met Tom Jenkinson > > his music was really loopy and not very good. After he met Tom he couldn't make a > > song for more than 3 minutes for he wasn't capable of making a 7 minute drum > > solo. His music is very good and very innovative (if you call ripping of Squarepusher > > innovative) but he just doesn't have it in him anymore. > > > ugh, what was polygon window? > > I just can't agree with that. RDJ Album was classic. ICBYD was > classic. Come to Daddy was great stuff. Hello? SAW II? Polygon Window? > You didn't like that stuff? Really? Wow.

SAW I even? And how long has 'loopy' been a criticism of electronic music?

quoted 3 lines I have never thought of Aphex as ripping off Sqpr. I mean, the thought

> I have never thought of Aphex as ripping off Sqpr. I mean, the thought > had never even occurred to me. Musically, they've always seemed like > completely different entities to me.

You've not heard Aphex's nine minute slap bass odyssey then...

quoted 1 line But hey, you know. Opinions, etc... It's all good.

> But hey, you know. Opinions, etc... It's all good.

Each to his own opinion, but it's quite interesting to see people going anti-Aphex on what was originally an Aphex fan list, and which is devoted to styles of music of which Aphex was a major progenitor. Kids today, eh? David This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:18:02 +0000, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

quoted 21 lines yeah, aphex twin is mostly riding off what he used to be. his last cd sucked. "i care

> > > yeah, aphex twin is mostly riding off what he used to be. his last cd sucked. "i care > > > because you do" sucked except for one or two tracks. Until he met Tom Jenkinson > > > his music was really loopy and not very good. After he met Tom he couldn't make a > > > song for more than 3 minutes for he wasn't capable of making a 7 minute drum > > > solo. His music is very good and very innovative (if you call ripping of Squarepusher > > > innovative) but he just doesn't have it in him anymore. > > > > > ugh, what was polygon window? > > > > I just can't agree with that. RDJ Album was classic. ICBYD was > > classic. Come to Daddy was great stuff. Hello? SAW II? Polygon Window? > > You didn't like that stuff? Really? Wow. > > SAW I even? And how long has 'loopy' been a criticism of electronic music? > > > I have never thought of Aphex as ripping off Sqpr. I mean, the thought > > had never even occurred to me. Musically, they've always seemed like > > completely different entities to me. > > You've not heard Aphex's nine minute slap bass odyssey then... >

I musta missed that one...

quoted 4 lines But hey, you know. Opinions, etc... It's all good.

> > But hey, you know. Opinions, etc... It's all good. > > Each to his own opinion, but it's quite interesting to see people going anti-Aphex on what was originally an Aphex fan list, and which is devoted to styles of music of which Aphex was a major progenitor. Kids today, eh? >

I think they're all hopped up on goofballs. I'm so incredibly eagerly anticipating my Analords. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 10 lines Each to his own opinion, but it's quite interesting to see people

>> >> Each to his own opinion, but it's quite interesting to see people >> going anti-Aphex on what was originally an Aphex fan list, and which >> is devoted to styles of music of which Aphex was a major progenitor. >> Kids today, eh? >> > > I think they're all hopped up on goofballs. I'm so incredibly eagerly > anticipating my Analords. >

by no means anti-Aphex, i do love the stuff i love by him, it's all going in the pyramid. The Analord track i heard by AFX is an Acid in Wonderland marvel! np: APHEX TWIN---"Vaz Deferenz" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:28:53 -0500, Alan Lucas <alucas@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 24 lines On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:18:02 +0000, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:18:02 +0000, David Sim <pmxds@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > yeah, aphex twin is mostly riding off what he used to be. his last cd sucked. "i care > > > > because you do" sucked except for one or two tracks. Until he met Tom Jenkinson > > > > his music was really loopy and not very good. After he met Tom he couldn't make a > > > > song for more than 3 minutes for he wasn't capable of making a 7 minute drum > > > > solo. His music is very good and very innovative (if you call ripping of Squarepusher > > > > innovative) but he just doesn't have it in him anymore. > > > > > > > ugh, what was polygon window? > > > > > > I just can't agree with that. RDJ Album was classic. ICBYD was > > > classic. Come to Daddy was great stuff. Hello? SAW II? Polygon Window? > > > You didn't like that stuff? Really? Wow. > > > > SAW I even? And how long has 'loopy' been a criticism of electronic music? > > > > > I have never thought of Aphex as ripping off Sqpr. I mean, the thought > > > had never even occurred to me. Musically, they've always seemed like > > > completely different entities to me. > > > > You've not heard Aphex's nine minute slap bass odyssey then... > > > > I musta missed that one...

I bet it's a joke, besides, Aphex is way more techno oriented than Jenkins, who has a big drum'n'bass/jungle influence in his music (like Venetian Snares), Aphex makes jungle-like tunes when it comes to tempo and drum rythmes, but I'd never call em trully jungle, while some dnb DJ's date to mix Squarepusher stuff into their sets but saying on rips the other off... I dunno, lets call it influence :) -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.blogspot.com http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line Each to his own opinion, but it's quite interesting to see people going anti-Aphex on

>>Each to his own opinion, but it's quite interesting to see people going anti-Aphex on what was originally an Aphex fan list, and which is devoted to styles of music of which Aphex was a major progenitor. Kids today, eh?

Many artists produce innovative stuff, and then don't anymore... Innovation only lasts the moment you are innovating. Just because you innovated a few years ago doesn't mean you are still innovative, its a continual thing. The (musical) world would be a sad-sad place if this were set in stone. Know thy history, but keep eyes onto the future... Of course, music is music, is communication, is feeling, is connecting. So in that sense, music doesn't need to be innovative to be good, it just needs to be good. ;) best rgd, -- s. http://www.ArcTone.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Innovation == experimentation that works. Most experiments fail. Sometimes not until after the fact, do you realize they failed. The difference between innovations and failed experiments is determined after the fact when, strictly speaking, they're old news. An innovation can be a new technique or strategy that bears exploration. Said explorations aren't innovations. As listeners, you can A) seek out and listen to only the innovations, or B) Listen to music that makes you feel good regardless of the source. Aphex Twin is (still) occasionally brilliant, but is perhaps too willing to put out underproduced, demo-quality tracks, for his own reasons. Largely I think because he's been put in a position where the money he gets for his music is independent of the music's quality. He's just a bloke from Cornwall that was extraordinarily lucky that his talents, haphazardly applied, have allowed him to avoid actual work his entire adult life. I'd be interested to hear what he comes up with if he starts really caring, and manages to devote sustained effort to making the best music he can imagine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 7 lines Innovation == experimentation that works.

> Innovation == experimentation that works. > > Most experiments fail. > > Sometimes not until after the fact, do you realize they failed. The > difference between innovations and failed experiments is determined > after the fact when, strictly speaking, they're old news.

Good points, I would add though that innovation is expermentation that works because it is *musical*. A lot of people experiment with something but then fail to transfor what starts as an interesting technique/technical idea into a new medium for expression. I think you can tell while you are "expermineting" what is musical and what is not - IF - you are able to be objective and musical to begin with.

quoted 6 lines An innovation can be a new technique or strategy that bears

> An innovation can be a new technique or strategy that bears > exploration. Said explorations aren't innovations. > > As listeners, you can A) seek out and listen to only the innovations, > or B) Listen to music that makes you feel good regardless of the > source.

Right, well both are interesting. And B) music can often be driving future innovation much as a good album pushes a genre in a direction as other's join the "sound" and copy it... even if it is not innovative.

quoted 3 lines I'd be interested to hear what he comes up with if he starts really

> I'd be interested to hear what he comes up with if he starts really > caring, and manages to devote sustained effort to making the best > music he can imagine.

Agree with all these comments. Oddly enough I also said this exact same comment to someone just a few weeks ago. Richard has the talent to do something incredible, but often I feel like the music isn't taken seriously enough. It's a shame. At least, this is the image he projects to me. Perhaps he is strongly commited, and I just don't get that image from his image - as it were. -- s. http://www.ArcTone.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

yeah, i've noticed that everyone i work with is always trying to record things in different ways and it always just ends up sounding like bad micro-sound. Like the other day i was using a mic-preamp thats supposed to be used on vocals for a drum because it doesn't pick up much sound from a source that is far away so i kind of had this gated drum going, after listening to it I decided it just sounded like a basement punk band with a copy of Acid. Kent Williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote:Innovation == experimentation that works. Most experiments fail. Sometimes not until after the fact, do you realize they failed. The difference between innovations and failed experiments is determined after the fact when, strictly speaking, they're old news. An innovation can be a new technique or strategy that bears exploration. Said explorations aren't innovations. As listeners, you can A) seek out and listen to only the innovations, or B) Listen to music that makes you feel good regardless of the source. Aphex Twin is (still) occasionally brilliant, but is perhaps too willing to put out underproduced, demo-quality tracks, for his own reasons. Largely I think because he's been put in a position where the money he gets for his music is independent of the music's quality. He's just a bloke from Cornwall that was extraordinarily lucky that his talents, haphazardly applied, have allowed him to avoid actual work his entire adult life. I'd be interested to hear what he comes up with if he starts really caring, and manages to devote sustained effort to making the best music he can imagine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! ? What will yours do?