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Hello, 8 months have passed since the release of the first volume of Intelligent Toys. At that time we thought that it is impossible for a net label to do a better compilation. Time has passed, things have changed and we after more than five months of work are bringing you the Intelligent Toys 2 compilation. Bigger, longer, fatter. It is a seventh release of Sutemos net label. People say that 7 is a lucky number. We don't know that but what we really know is that we ARE lucky to give you this compilation. Intelligent Toys 2 will come out October 29th. It will feature 20 artists from 10 different countries with 26 tracks in total. The duration of compilation is 120 minutes. None of the tracks have been released before - all of them are exclusive for Intelligent Toys 2. 9 artists have never shared their tracks for any net label. Be sure you don't miss it. Artist line-up is as follows: Ulrich Schnauss Sleepy Town Manufacture Maps And Diagrams Sovacusa Manual Verbose Ruxpin Faction Env(itre) EU Praveen Novel 23 Vesna Lackluster ML Unit 21 Sabi MINT Liudas Svirskas NDelay More Info at: www.sutemos.net/IT2/ Walkman www.sutemos.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

HELLO EVERYBODY! The D&D radio is back on the air now for the last month!!!! Yeah! I'm really excited to be back on air, and online again! I've met so many people all over the world who have been so supportive of the show, and all the emails have meant so much to me! Thank you all! Anyway, I'm still trying to get the word out to everyone, so if you've listened to the show, or are a fan, then please post on other lists too. I'm trying to get this beast back up to full-steam again! Below you'll find last weeks playlist, much shorter than normal, as the show is only 1-hour now, but it's in primetime in NYC - 6pm-7pm thursdays in NYC. But of course, it's ALL online at: www.wfmu.org, with Mp3 and realplayer streams... Adv. D&D 3 Nathan Michel- Dust ?the beast? ? skip records (advance of album due in December!) Nathan michel ? Simple Animal - ?the beast? ? skip records (advance of album due in December!) (this guy is brilliant- and vastly unerappreciated it seems... check these 2 new songs and see!) O.Lamm Kopavogur revisited & tennis ? ?hello spiral? ? active suspenstion ? Not released yet? O.Lamm ?Bruses? ?hello spiral? ? active suspenstion ? Not released yet? Pidgin- theme from concrete ambulance ?boat sounds massive? CDR The Flashbulb ? lawn wake I red extensions of me sublight/suburban trash recs Alan Astor fantasic fantascy drop the lime mix CDR KIKI ill track 1 ?kiki Ill VS con Brio CDR kracked, www.kracked.co.uk FX randomize + c. Schultz - count basie radio program? recorded from german national radio... (thanks wolfgang!!!) Mothboy a303 the fears ad noiseam As always, I'd love to get yoru CDR if you're making music out there, and definitely feel free to send me an email. Best! Jason Forrest/ Donna Summer (new email- cockrockdisco@gmail.com) Advanced D&D radio WFMU 91.1 Fm- NYC, www.wfmu.org/donnasummer thursdays 6-7pm in NYC, 11pm in UK, 12 in Eu... Japan??? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I like it. Some nice tunes coming out of there. Is there any way of displaying the track that's currently playing on the stream though? Nice to listen to, but i like to know what it is that I'm listening to if you know what i mean... Paul -----Original Message----- From: donna summer [mailto:donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com] Sent: 28 October 2004 16:05 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] A D&D radio is BACK ON THE AIR!!!!!! HELLO EVERYBODY! The D&D radio is back on the air now for the last month!!!! Yeah! I'm really excited to be back on air, and online again! I've met so many people all over the world who have been so supportive of the show, and all the emails have meant so much to me! Thank you all! Anyway, I'm still trying to get the word out to everyone, so if you've listened to the show, or are a fan, then please post on other lists too. I'm trying to get this beast back up to full-steam again! Below you'll find last weeks playlist, much shorter than normal, as the show is only 1-hour now, but it's in primetime in NYC - 6pm-7pm thursdays in NYC. But of course, it's ALL online at: www.wfmu.org, with Mp3 and realplayer streams... Adv. D&D 3 Nathan Michel- Dust “the beast” – skip records (advance of album due in December!) Nathan michel – Simple Animal - “the beast” – skip records (advance of album due in December!) (this guy is brilliant- and vastly unerappreciated it seems... check these 2 new songs and see!) O.Lamm Kopavogur revisited & tennis – “hello spiral” – active suspenstion – Not released yet… O.Lamm “Bruses” “hello spiral” – active suspenstion – Not released yet… Pidgin- theme from concrete ambulance “boat sounds massive” CDR The Flashbulb – lawn wake I red extensions of me sublight/suburban trash recs Alan Astor fantasic fantascy drop the lime mix CDR KIKI ill track 1 “kiki Ill VS con Brio CDR kracked, www.kracked.co.uk FX randomize + c. Schultz - count basie radio program… recorded from german national radio... (thanks wolfgang!!!) Mothboy a303 the fears ad noiseam As always, I'd love to get yoru CDR if you're making music out there, and definitely feel free to send me an email. Best! Jason Forrest/ Donna Summer (new email- cockrockdisco@gmail.com) Advanced D&D radio WFMU 91.1 Fm- NYC, www.wfmu.org/donnasummer thursdays 6-7pm in NYC, 11pm in UK, 12 in Eu... Japan??? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hello list, I'm really glad to announce that we have just released Intelligent Toys 2 compilation which features 22 artists (such as Ulrich Schnauss, Manual, Ruxpin, EU, Sense and many others) with 28 tracks. It's beautiful and it's FREE: Enjoy & spread out the word: www.sutemos.net/release;gid,8 Feedback would be appreciated:) Walkman www.sutemos.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

very nice, thank you very much. love the ulrich track. respect, Jeff Davis fon: 81.3.5114.3771 phlow@earthlink.net <mailto:phlow@earthlink.net> fax: 866.489.6463 cel: 81.90.6031.9369 -----Original Message----- From: Walkman [mailto:walkman@sutemos.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:53 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 Hello list, I'm really glad to announce that we have just released Intelligent Toys 2 compilation which features 22 artists (such as Ulrich Schnauss, Manual, Ruxpin, EU, Sense and many others) with 28 tracks. It's beautiful and it's FREE: Enjoy & spread out the word: www.sutemos.net/release;gid,8 Feedback would be appreciated:) Walkman www.sutemos.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yeah, I was just about to post my "thanks" as well. A fun li'l compilation: 28 tracks of shimmering, happyfeelgood IDM-elodica. And best of all, it's FREE! Good stuff, indeed. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Davis [mailto:pHlow@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 7:52 PM To: 'Walkman'; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 very nice, thank you very much. love the ulrich track. respect, Jeff Davis fon: 81.3.5114.3771 phlow@earthlink.net <mailto:phlow@earthlink.net> fax: 866.489.6463 cel: 81.90.6031.9369 -----Original Message----- From: Walkman [mailto:walkman@sutemos.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:53 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 Hello list, I'm really glad to announce that we have just released Intelligent Toys 2 compilation which features 22 artists (such as Ulrich Schnauss, Manual, Ruxpin, EU, Sense and many others) with 28 tracks. It's beautiful and it's FREE: Enjoy & spread out the word: www.sutemos.net/release;gid,8 Feedback would be appreciated:) Walkman www.sutemos.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Thanx for listening and commenting. Nice to see that you enjoyed. As for the beautiful/not beautiful tracks musical content is very varying so everybody can find his own favourite tracks. You may also want to try the first volume of Intelligent Toys (if u have done it, yet). Some say its still better than the second one: http://www.sutemos.net/en/release;gid,3 Walkman www.sutemos.net -----Original Message----- From: ... [mailto:onoma_@hotmail.com] Sent: 2004 m. spalio 31 d. 03:40 To: pHlow@earthlink.net; 'Walkman'; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 Yeah, I was just about to post my "thanks" as well. A fun li'l compilation: 28 tracks of shimmering, happyfeelgood IDM-elodica. And best of all, it's FREE! Good stuff, indeed. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Davis [mailto:pHlow@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 7:52 PM To: 'Walkman'; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 very nice, thank you very much. love the ulrich track. respect, Jeff Davis fon: 81.3.5114.3771 phlow@earthlink.net <mailto:phlow@earthlink.net> fax: 866.489.6463 cel: 81.90.6031.9369 -----Original Message----- From: Walkman [mailto:walkman@sutemos.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:53 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 Hello list, I'm really glad to announce that we have just released Intelligent Toys 2 compilation which features 22 artists (such as Ulrich Schnauss, Manual, Ruxpin, EU, Sense and many others) with 28 tracks. It's beautiful and it's FREE: Enjoy & spread out the word: www.sutemos.net/release;gid,8 Feedback would be appreciated:) Walkman www.sutemos.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Sublimate the beautiful music - with a man of the cookie, in order to load! I like this graphic art, it that I am the most obliging/most pleasing, nearly, because the state euphoria induced drug. Go go go! Which one it is the cover? Or there is tastes selects its appropriate adventure? But a part of the music perforates, too much. It is me. But everything does not go for the soil, for the example, where more Vesna is he high suit! Much on! Pet Diaries!!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

anybody else get CRC errors when trying to extract the file sute007.zip? i can get the individual files, but get an error when trying to extract the combined archive. respect, Jeff Davis fon: 81.3.5114.3771 phlow@earthlink.net <mailto:phlow@earthlink.net> fax: 866.489.6463 cel: 81.90.6031.9369 -----Original Message----- From: Walkman [mailto:walkman@sutemos.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:53 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 Hello list, I'm really glad to announce that we have just released Intelligent Toys 2 compilation which features 22 artists (such as Ulrich Schnauss, Manual, Ruxpin, EU, Sense and many others) with 28 tracks. It's beautiful and it's FREE: Enjoy & spread out the word: www.sutemos.net/release;gid,8 Feedback would be appreciated:) Walkman www.sutemos.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I had no problem, but I did it a week ago so maybe the file has been updated. Or maybe you just had bad luck downloading it and your download is corrupted. -AdamP On Nov 5, 2004, at 8:43 PM, Jeff Davis wrote:

quoted 49 lines anybody else get CRC errors when trying to extract the file

> anybody else get CRC errors when trying to extract the file > sute007.zip? > > i can get the individual files, but get an error when trying to > extract the > combined archive. > > respect, > > Jeff Davis fon: 81.3.5114.3771 > phlow@earthlink.net <mailto:phlow@earthlink.net> fax: 866.489.6463 > cel: 81.90.6031.9369 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walkman [mailto:walkman@sutemos.net] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:53 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 > > > Hello list, > > I'm really glad to announce that we have just released Intelligent > Toys 2 > compilation which features 22 artists (such as Ulrich Schnauss, Manual, > Ruxpin, EU, Sense and many others) with 28 tracks. It's beautiful and > it's > FREE: > > Enjoy & spread out the word: www.sutemos.net/release;gid,8 > > Feedback would be appreciated:) > > Walkman > www.sutemos.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Worked fine for me. sine@IntelligentDanceMusic.com On 6 Nov 2004 at 10:43, Jeff Davis wrote:

quoted 46 lines anybody else get CRC errors when trying to extract the file sute007.zip?

> anybody else get CRC errors when trying to extract the file sute007.zip? > > i can get the individual files, but get an error when trying to extract the > combined archive. > > respect, > > Jeff Davis fon: 81.3.5114.3771 > phlow@earthlink.net <mailto:phlow@earthlink.net> fax: 866.489.6463 > cel: 81.90.6031.9369 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walkman [mailto:walkman@sutemos.net] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:53 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 > > > Hello list, > > I'm really glad to announce that we have just released Intelligent Toys 2 > compilation which features 22 artists (such as Ulrich Schnauss, Manual, > Ruxpin, EU, Sense and many others) with 28 tracks. It's beautiful and it's > FREE: > > Enjoy & spread out the word: www.sutemos.net/release;gid,8 > > Feedback would be appreciated:) > > Walkman > www.sutemos.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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The zip from archive.org is made on the fly so if there are any problems, they are associated with archive.org. I am not aware of any problems. It's the first time I hear of some failures. Walkman www.sutemos.net -----Original Message----- From: Cody Tubbs (wISPdirect) [mailto:tubbs@wispdirect.com] Sent: 2004 m. lapkričio 6 d. 10:46 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 Worked fine for me. sine@IntelligentDanceMusic.com On 6 Nov 2004 at 10:43, Jeff Davis wrote:

quoted 3 lines anybody else get CRC errors when trying to extract the file sute007.zip?

> anybody else get CRC errors when trying to extract the file sute007.zip? > > i can get the individual files, but get an error when trying to extract

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quoted 43 lines combined archive.

> combined archive. > > respect, > > Jeff Davis fon: 81.3.5114.3771 > phlow@earthlink.net <mailto:phlow@earthlink.net> fax: 866.489.6463 > cel: 81.90.6031.9369 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walkman [mailto:walkman@sutemos.net] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:53 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 > > > Hello list, > > I'm really glad to announce that we have just released Intelligent Toys 2 > compilation which features 22 artists (such as Ulrich Schnauss, Manual, > Ruxpin, EU, Sense and many others) with 28 tracks. It's beautiful and it's > FREE: > > Enjoy & spread out the word: www.sutemos.net/release;gid,8 > > Feedback would be appreciated:) > > Walkman > www.sutemos.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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got a little bit disappointed by sabi and verbose. ulrich schnauss's track is great, really. -purusha http://www.ogredung.org/purusha/ At 02.51 31/10/2004, you wrote:

quoted 41 lines very nice, thank you very much. love the ulrich track.

>very nice, thank you very much. love the ulrich track. > >respect, > >Jeff Davis fon: 81.3.5114.3771 >phlow@earthlink.net <mailto:phlow@earthlink.net> fax: 866.489.6463 > cel: 81.90.6031.9369 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Walkman [mailto:walkman@sutemos.net] >Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:53 PM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 > > >Hello list, > >I'm really glad to announce that we have just released Intelligent Toys 2 >compilation which features 22 artists (such as Ulrich Schnauss, Manual, >Ruxpin, EU, Sense and many others) with 28 tracks. It's beautiful and it's >FREE: > >Enjoy & spread out the word: www.sutemos.net/release;gid,8 > >Feedback would be appreciated:) > >Walkman >www.sutemos.net > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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yes.. very nice indeed. I love this artwork and the sensitivity. the artwork is very special and spiritual. why not diffusing it as a slideshow? i never looked for a software that could do that but wouldn´t it be nice to have a open source muli-platform media-player that blends the images with the right tracks together. just s simple idea. or a flashfile.. and what am I supposed to do with the XML stuff? (I am just playing stupid, don´t forget to document this kind of projects in the zip. thatz what readmes are for...) :) excellent work besides that.. robert -- B O B H U M I D @ G R O O V E M A G A Z I N E ( t e c h n o l o g i c a l _ e d i t o r ) servicelinks: http://www.groove.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Ones should discover its own cover and tracks of the compilation:) Walkman www.sutemos.net -----Original Message----- From: Pet Diaries [mailto:petdiaries@yahoo.com] Sent: 2004 m. lapkričio 2 d. 20:28 To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 Sublimate the beautiful music - with a man of the cookie, in order to load! I like this graphic art, it that I am the most obliging/most pleasing, nearly, because the state euphoria induced drug. Go go go! Which one it is the cover? Or there is tastes selects its appropriate adventure? But a part of the music perforates, too much. It is me. But everything does not go for the soil, for the example, where more Vesna is he high suit! Much on! Pet Diaries!!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hi, Very great job..! Very good compilation. Keep up the good work ! Cheers from Belgium. :: FILLL :: np: Frog Pocket - Rub It To The Ducks --- Walkman <walkman@sutemos.net> a écrit :

quoted 67 lines Ones should discover its own cover and tracks of the

> Ones should discover its own cover and tracks of the > compilation:) > > > > Walkman > > www.sutemos.net > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pet Diaries [mailto:petdiaries@yahoo.com] > > Sent: 2004 m. lapkrièio 2 d. 20:28 > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [idm] Intelligent Toys 2 > > > > Sublimate the beautiful music - with a man of the > cookie, in order to load! > I like this graphic art, it that I am the most > obliging/most pleasing, > nearly, because the state euphoria induced drug. Go > go go! > > Which one it is the cover? Or there is tastes > selects its appropriate > adventure? > > > > But a part of the music perforates, too much. It is > me. But everything > does not go for the soil, for the example, where > more Vesna is he high suit! > Much on! > > > > Pet Diaries!!! > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. > > www.yahoo.com > > > > > > > >

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