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I'm just smiling at the affluence of posts deriving from the Medulla Topic; this has to the busiest I've seen the IDM List in long, longtime. I just had to say that. Moreover, a fews post back, I read someones post on how albums like Kid A, Vespertine; helped fans of Radiohead and Bjork, delve into unfimiliar terroritory. I was one of them, I didn't really immerse myself with Experimental Electronic Music until I picked up Kid A. There was gamut of reviews (weeks before the albums release) making the indication that it was obviously influenced by Aphex, Autechre, BoC and a fraction of the Warp Catalogue to name a few. I of course decided to go to the source, and lucky for me I recently started to work a music store where I met my best friend, who had years of listening to this music (since 1995). He was even peeved at the idea that Radiohead were getting praise and accolades for what they did with Kid A, asserting to me that there had been others who have been making that sound for years, 'idioteque' sounding a lot like this Autechre track on Amber *cant recall the extact name* but I had known that they 'borrowed' from Paul Stanley as mentioned in the album notes. Any who, long story short, I'm glad RH did what they did, likewise for Bjork who has people from the IDM spectrum since Pre-Post, if it wasn't for them (RH) it would have taken me a lot longer to actually delve into Experimental Electronic Music or Experimental Music as a whole, I've been using the same method even with IDM artists' (in interviews) mentioning their influences and what they're listening to, directing me to the source. I just thought I'd share that with you all, my little 'IDM Story.' Word. cheers, june. 'the best stuff is at the source the rest is derivative' -richard james btw: did you guys know that Chris Clark mentioned in an interview with The Milkfactory that he would love to work with Radiohead sometime in the near future?... just thought I would share that.

quoted 26 lines this is the same sort of thing i hear about radiohead's 'kid a'.

>>>this is the same sort of thing i hear about radiohead's 'kid a'. >> >>I'm curious to what things sound like "Kid A" or the other recent >>Radiohead albums. Thanks in advance. > >much ruckus has been made by some people into underground electronica and >jazz that radiohead "stole" their newer sound from this source or that one. > as the point was made by someone else a few posts back about the bjork >album, artists get influenced by each other, while at other times they >create something on their own without having ever heard something they end >up sounding similar to. > >much the music on "kid a" and "amnesiac" clearly has its origins in >electronica, jazz, krautrock, avant-garde cut-up techniques, brian eno's >ambient albums. you can also spot more conventional influences like the >smiths and the beatles on the latter CD. radiohead did their part in >interviews by crediting the things they listened to, such as the warp >catalog, lali puna, johnny marr, and alice coltrane. > > >d. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 24 lines Moreover, a fews post back, I read someones post on how albums like

>Moreover, a fews post back, I read someones post on how albums like >Kid A, Vespertine; helped fans of Radiohead and Bjork, delve into >unfimiliar terroritory. >I was one of them, I didn't really immerse myself with Experimental >Electronic Music until I picked up Kid A. There was gamut of reviews >(weeks before the albums release) making the indication that it was >obviously influenced by Aphex, Autechre, BoC and a fraction of the >Warp Catalogue to name a few. I of course decided to go to the >source, and lucky for me I recently started to work a music store >where I met my best friend, who had years of listening to this music >(since 1995). He was even peeved at the idea that Radiohead were >getting praise and accolades for what they did with Kid A, asserting >to me that there had been others who have been making that sound for >years, 'idioteque' sounding a lot like this Autechre track on Amber >*cant recall the extact name* but I had known that they 'borrowed' >from Paul Stanley as mentioned in the album notes. Any who, long >story short, I'm glad RH did what they did, likewise for Bjork who >has people from the IDM spectrum since Pre-Post, if it wasn't for >them (RH) it would have taken me a lot longer to actually delve into >Experimental Electronic Music or Experimental Music as a whole, I've >been using the same method even with IDM artists' (in interviews) >mentioning their influences and what they're listening to, directing >me to the source. I just thought I'd share that with you all, my >little 'IDM Story.' Word.

great story, i'm glad my comment brought that out. i also think the opposite is true - people who are normally into electronic or experimental artists would never have given radiohead a second thought before 'kid a'. but then the album caused such intense discussion, with unschooled rock critics calling it crap or dubbing it "the art move". that's something people tend to forget now, with the mountains of praise radiohead receives - when 'kid a' came out it was probably more violently hated than loved for being so allegedly avant-garde. this probably perked up a few ears of people who are used to being told the music they listen to is pretentious junk or soulless electronic wankery. 'kid a' clearly had the influences of the artists electro/experimental people may have already liked, yet coming from the perspective of a rock band it gives things a new twist. i'm sure there are people who thought pre-'kid a' radiohead was too old-school rock but got into the later sounds just because it was more up their alley. ok, enough of this...i don't mean to turn this into a radiohead list (and no, i don't belong to one). anyone hear the latest kid606, "who still kill sound?" comments, comparisons to past work? d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:53:04AM -0400, chthonic streams wrote:

quoted 9 lines I was one of them, I didn't really immerse myself with Experimental

> >I was one of them, I didn't really immerse myself with Experimental > >Electronic Music until I picked up Kid A. There was gamut of reviews > >(weeks before the albums release) making the indication that it was > >obviously influenced by Aphex, Autechre, BoC and a fraction of the > >Warp Catalogue to name a few. > > > great story, i'm glad my comment brought that out. >

First bands I got into as a fourteen/fifteen-year-old were Radiohead, REM, and Blur. Not very IDM. It's when you go influence-chasing, though, and get exposed to new stuff, that interesting things start to happen. Boards of Canada at an impressionable moment, Radiohead's "Kid A" (Everything In Its Right Place is _still_ majestic), Wire and their side projects, Mogwai, Sigur Ros, godspeed!, Tortoise, Kraftwerk: *they*'re what got me into electronic music, indirectly. Indie -> post-rock/ post-punk->idm is a succession of relatively small leaps, but they can get you a long way. I suspect this has something to do with the rise of indie electronica; Four Tet has clear Radiohead associations, for instance. I still like all of the above. I'm not ashamed. - A -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines ike this Autechre track on Amber *cant recall the extact name* but I

> ike this Autechre track on Amber *cant recall the extact name* but I > had known that they 'borrowed' from Paul Stanley as mentioned in the > album notes.

I believe the synth sample that drives Idiotic comes from Paul Panyhausen. At least that's what I always read. and that does make you think, that a 60s experimental piece of electronic music bears such a resemblance to Autechere, Twin, etc. - A Andrew Jones 912 Euclid Ave. Birmingham, AL, 35213 407-927-7607 aim: liminal18 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 12:47:07PM -0400, andrew jones wrote:

quoted 6 lines ike this Autechre track on Amber *cant recall the extact name* but I

> >ike this Autechre track on Amber *cant recall the extact name* but I > >had known that they 'borrowed' from Paul Stanley as mentioned in the > >album notes. > > I believe the synth sample that drives Idiotic comes from Paul > Panyhausen.

For what it's worth, the sample which drives Radiohead's "Idioteque" comes from 'Mild und Leise' by Paul Lansky. They've been going on about early electronic stuff for years in interviews. http://www.music.princeton.edu/paul/radiohead.ml.html has it as mp3. The sample's a bit under a minute in. It's very, very obvious. - Andrew -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--andrew jones <liminal18@mac.com> [040908 09:56]:

quoted 9 lines ike this Autechre track on Amber *cant recall the extact name* but I

> >ike this Autechre track on Amber *cant recall the extact name* but I > >had known that they 'borrowed' from Paul Stanley as mentioned in the > >album notes. > > I believe the synth sample that drives Idiotic comes from Paul > Panyhausen. At least > that's what I always read. and that does make you think, that a 60s > experimental piece of electronic music bears such a resemblance to > Autechere, Twin, etc.

It was actually a sample from 'mild und leise' by Paul Lansky. He composed it in 1973 on an IBM 360/91. http://www.music.princeton.edu/paul/radiohead.ml.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org