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2003-06-02 15:46Bill Van Loo Re: [idm] mutek 2003, the good, the ugly and the Very good...
├─ 2003-06-02 15:55Maximilien Lincourt [idm] Mutek 2003 ... Pole going HipHop ...
├─ 2003-06-02 15:58Kent williams Re: [idm] mutek 2003, the good, the ugly and the Very good...
└─ 2003-06-02 17:47svin [idm] new pole
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2003-06-02 15:46Bill Van Loo> i heard pole in nyc recently > must agree that his breakbeat or whatever you > call it s
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quoted 3 lines i heard pole in nyc recently> i heard pole in nyc recently > must agree that his breakbeat or whatever you > call it stuff is no good
I've heard this comment from many people lately (both at Movement/DEMF and Mutek), and have to wonder about it. Are those who are saying Pole's new music with Fat John is bad saying this because they dislike hip-hop in general, or because they think the new material is bad hip-hop? In other words, would you dislike any material that Pole produced with an MC, or do you have an interest or background in the music that helps you view the new Pole material in a critical context, comparing it to other hip-hop? This is not a flame, just an honest question to help me understand the opinions of others. I personally enjoyed the new material very much; there were definitely points where Fat John was a little off the rhythm track; I chalked it up to the riddim being so sparse in points. bvl -- http://www.chromedecay.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-06-02 15:55Maximilien LincourtThe rapper himself is ok, but the music sucks! no vibe, no soul ... I sometimes like rap (
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The rapper himself is ok, but the music sucks! no vibe, no soul ... I sometimes like rap (hip hop) but not what Pole is trying to do with it. Pole music was and still is into the minimal dub style, he decided to add some hip-hop flavor to it, and for me, it didn't work, it didn't have the same feel as (for example) tricky, Spectre (Second Coming), or some of the tracks on the "Destruction of Syntax" compilation on SubHarmonic. When I find that I like a rap/hiphop song, it always is in the darker side of the spectrum, with a lot of ambience, and deepness to the beats, bass and the voice needs to do more than just rap.
quoted 8 lines Are those who are saying Pole's new music with Fat John is bad saying> Are those who are saying Pole's new music with Fat John is bad saying > this because they dislike hip-hop in general, or because they think the > new material is bad hip-hop? In other words, would you dislike any > material that Pole produced with an MC, or do you have an interest or > background in the music that helps you view the new Pole material in a > critical context, comparing it to other hip-hop? This is not a flame, > just an honest question to help me understand the opinions of others. >
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2003-06-02 15:58Kent williamsI haven't heard Fat John/Pole work; but each MC has a unique relationship to the beat. Som
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Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:58:12 -0500 (CDT)
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I haven't heard Fat John/Pole work; but each MC has a unique relationship to the beat. Some guys ride it, some guys don't. Some of my MC friends who are generally regarded as tight always sound rushed and behind the beat to me, but eveybody besides me seems to think they're tight. I recently got to see the Last Poets, and they perform with a conga player, but never try and ride the beat at all, yet somehow it all works out. Eminem's flow I've always found to be incredible; he has a unique approach to the beat, riding it and cutting loose from it but always sounding tight. Shame he doesn't elevate his subject matter and work with more interesting producers. On Mon, 2 Jun 2003, Bill Van Loo wrote:
quoted 5 lines I personally enjoyed the new material very much; there were definitely> > I personally enjoyed the new material very much; there were definitely > points where Fat John was a little off the rhythm track; I chalked it up > to the riddim being so sparse in points. >
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2003-06-02 17:47svinmust correct smthng what i heard was more along the line of 45/45, not really a breakbeat
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Mon, 2 Jun 2003 10:47:27 -0700 (PDT)
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must correct smthng what i heard was more along the line of 45/45, not really a breakbeat or hiphop, but with a touch of it i like wht is called sometimes dub poetry, sort of capleton style, toasting to slow dub i guess that would have been an ideal invironment for Pole's hip/hop experiments __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org