Hiya,
quoted 4 lines I haven't read this book (yet), but I am interested in the last line of your
> I haven't read this book (yet), but I am interested in the last line of your
> post. I had a couple of questions as to how you envision this. Would you
> have say an artist who wants to publish their music, and thus make it
> available as a downloadable information costing something?
Not necessarily. I'm trying to trade money for something else. I guess
"Kudos" is the best word. Respect for what you do, the way you act, the
music you produce.
quoted 2 lines Who would control
> Who would control
> it, or oversee its operation?
Well, it's a very theoretical idea, but the people who control it are the
people producing the music. Like slashdot [
http://www.slashdot.org ] or
barbelith [
http://www.barbelith.com/underground/ ] are moderated by the
people who contribute to the pool. These are both flawed democracies in one
way or another, but a lot more democratic than the current music industry
model.
quoted 7 lines I could see this sort of thing working maybe on
> I could see this sort of thing working maybe on
> a smaller scale, where labels actually become the means for peoples
> self-distribution (ie. labels set up webspace for artists to upload and
> represent their stuff). but that would open a new can of worms--a label (or
> other online music dist.) wouldn't want a bigot, for example, to be associated
> with their label, so it would be a moderated thing. and a label might not
> like the music of artist X, and not want to be associated with it.
Right, so the point is that I'm going to build a tool that will allow people
to upload their own music into a webspace, and have that music contributed
to a pool of resources which can be fed back into other sites ... but a lot
cleverer. A cross between soulseek, mp3.com, amazon and moveabletype [
http://www.moveabletype.org - not the metal stuff from printing press's].
Then it's down to the peers of the musician to decide whether they are a
part of the collective or not. The Whuffle reference. You earn Kudos from
your peers, each of who will judge you on different values.
quoted 1 line Labels are neat.
> Labels are neat.
Yes, I'd agree with that. I don't want to kill labels that do good things, I
want to provide a better mechanism for decent/interesting music working it's
way to the top of the pile.
quoted 5 lines I like well designed art-objects, and don't mind that there is a label that
> I like well designed art-objects, and don't mind that there is a label that
> makes and distributes it. And I like vinyl as a medium for music, as does a
> fairly large audience of electronic music efficienados. Or having a cd in
> your hand--that tactile sensation of placing it into a decoder and being able
> to hear it through speakers, it still amazes me.
You should have seen my gf's eyes light up when I explained to her how the
entire system from record to speaker to ear worked :-) I love listening to
vinyl on a sunny day as the light catches on the record and produces
patterns on the wall above the deck. Makes me realise how physical it all
is. And no matter how advanced the computers are the entire analogue audio
recording and amplification system is still pretty fucking amazing. And
we're still using the same principles for sound amplification we've been
using since before computers existed!
quoted 6 lines Not to say listening to
> Not to say listening to
> streaming audio isn't a good concept. But some projects don't seem to make as
> much sense removed from their packaging. Others don't make sense outside of
> performance (by a dj or the musician). Would the artist be able to have thier
> music be made on a per-item basis in some big factory and shipped to the
> consumer amazon-style?
There is potential for this with CDr releases. People have started to
realise that CDs are just a distribution mechanism, as are mp3s. Artists
will find new ways of making their music unique, whether it is 5.1 surround
albums like the forthcoming Plaid album, or limited run hand crafted
packaging for CDrs [put the art back into musician as artist, or maybe it's
the craft back into arts & crafts...].
quoted 4 lines People who are familiar with vinyl-pressing know that
> People who are familiar with vinyl-pressing know that
> this isn't practical for records. So I think there will be a lingering
> community that will continue to embrace record lps (and thus labels) as long
> as we have oil to press them.
There will always be people who are collectors and appreciate the object
side of it, but there are also people growing up who will not attach value
to Intellectual Property. There will be a balance and a time will come. What
I want to die are the fucking popstars who are making shitloads from
gullible kids, or the record industry execs who are making shitloads from
gullible potential popstars.
quoted 7 lines Perhaps as a way to augment the current distribution system, there could
> Perhaps as a way to augment the current distribution system, there could
> become some public domain where artists could make a living producing their
> music. I think that some would argue that this (paradigm) allready exists in
> some sense (for example mp3.com). Or were you thinking somewhere completely
> off my raidar? Don't think that I'm trying to be critical of what you said, I
> just am curious about your ideas. Sorry if this post is really broad or
> off-topic.
No, it's cool. Criticism is good. I'm just ratifying the ideas in my head as
it's an extension of something else I'm working on and so building up slowly
in the background... mp3.com is close, but not quite what I'm thinking. It's
more about people doing things individually and them growing together into a
'scene' ... I'm not very good at explaining it in words. You'll just have to
wait and see if it catches on once I get a chance to do it.
I guess we might want to take this off list if no-one else is listening and
you want to reply...
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