Mr. Seeklektek,
I usually agree with your anti-establishment sentiments on this list, but I
have no idea what the hell you're talking about below.
Quoting seeklektek <eclectic@attbi.com>:
quoted 1 line Sure: believe in facism or laugh in the ugly face of the pretender.
> Sure: believe in facism or laugh in the ugly face of the pretender.
What fascism? Traditional fascism? Corporate fascism? What are you talking
about?
quoted 5 lines OK, that was rather cliche, I hate it when people say things like
> > OK, that was rather cliche, I hate it when people say things like
> that, but
> > it's true.
>
> Ok: now you can hate yourself for believing it: join the club.
Well, if I ever find myself in the position to effectively martyr myself, I may
take it, but in general, you can't do much to change the world when you're
dead. I don't hate myself for believing facts. People who go around actually
claiming that if you believe you won't die, you won't die, are no better than
people who sell magnets to cure all ills.
The scientific method is just a tool like a hammer, and it is good. Don't be
afraid to use it...
quoted 7 lines Now, you can change your perceptions with regard to what you value -
> > Now, you can change your perceptions with regard to what you value -
> > you can have certian ethics and values - but the reality to which you
> apply
> > them isn't different just because you want it to be.
>
>
> Gobbledygook.
No. If you think so, you misunderstood me, or you're insane. All I'm saying
is we can value things like cars and CDs, or we can value a fulfilling life,
and question what makes a fulfilling life, and choose to live our lives
accordingly. The cars and CDs will still exist (if people are making them).
quoted 8 lines Quick and dirty example - just because many people in the 10th Century
> > Quick and dirty example - just because many people in the 10th Century
> in
> > western Europe believed that Sol revolved around Terra doesn't mean
> that it
> > actually did...
>
>
> How do you know that it didn't? Where you there?
No, but I or anyone else can perform experiments to test the current state of
the universe, and, barring miracles, it is unreasonable to think that the state
of the universe then was so much different than it is now.
quoted 1 line The theory describes the reality it creates.
> The theory describes the reality it creates.
OK, you've been reading too much of the crap this is making fun of:
http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2.html
quoted 2 lines Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
> http://www.visi.com/~lazlo/gallery/bob1.gif
Ah, another meaningless distraction. Unless I'm misinformed, the cult of Bob
does nothing but play with words. I like these people better:
http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/efj/feature.cfm?ID=178
I have a feeling this is just going to turn into another fruitless argument, so
I'll just leave it with one final sentiment: support democratic co-ops, fight
feudal corporations, and say yes to music and no to war...
-Adam Piontek
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