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quoted 6 lines I, myself, don't need to "understand" how an artist created a song or a

>I, myself, don't need to "understand" how an artist created a song or a >sound or whatever. I listen to what I like to hear, and vice-versa... For >instance, I have no idea how BoC comes up with the sweet tunes that they >make, and I really don't care to know either. In fact, it'd almost take >something away from it if I knew just how they made alot of their samples >and FX.

i agree with your point, but i realize i should've clarified what i mean by "understand" a bit more. well, no... let me put it this way: does it take a level of imagination or creativity or knowledge of music or art to *appreciate* it? adam: you may not know how people program synths and fuck around with complicated software, and somrux: you might not know music theory or where BOC gets their source material from, but i suppose i'm asking where people who appreciate this art are coming from- where are their heads coming from?? z _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 4 lines but i suppose i'm

> but i suppose i'm > asking where people who appreciate this art are > coming > from- where are their heads coming from??

My head often follows the rest of my body. My body is directed by my head. Paradox? You be the judge. Seriously? I don't see how I could possibly answer such questions. Or why anyone would want to ask them. You want me to analyze why I like this music? Create a blueprint for understanding what pushes my buttons? Try experimenting with rats first, it'll be simpler. Play them different tunes and then cut out different portions of the tracks and see what pushes their buttons. Then come back to us with a survey based on your findings. Analyze the results of the survey to find out statistically what most IDM listeners prefer in their music. Then scientifically craft music to suit the average IDM listener. Get Coca-Cola to support your efforts. Call your music Intelligent Soda Drinking Music. Have The Designer's Republic design the cans. (They'll be fluorescent pink, teal, and orange, and have lots of arrows and dots.) Disney can have Pixar create the movie... Whoops, got carried away. ===== .Adam http://www.damek.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Actually, i'm doing some sociology coursework into this. From what I've seen, although there are females into this music, it does look to be male dominated. I have no idea why and trying to look into this, any comments would be greatly appreciated. I have had some suggestions, mostly that it is more 'technical' for one reason or another. I'm new to this list, is there anyone up north in Sheffield, and if so, can you recomend any nights that play good music? I seem to be missing it all and I don't want to leave this city before I find it. Cheers, Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "%andrew" <rabbits@atomly.com> To: "idmwanks" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males

quoted 15 lines Wait, does this thread have anything to do with why girls don't like

> > Wait, does this thread have anything to do with why girls don't like > IDM? I see a lot of similarities here; IDM seems to only appeal to suave, > rational males. Please explain. > > -andrew > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Well, I thought the first post was a joke, but since I seem to be in the mood to spew forth some garbage today, here are my thoughts: Isn't *most* music pretty male-dominated? I've always thought it just followed from the still-generally-male-dominated nature of western society. The real question would be: is IDM (or just electronic music) more male-dominated than other genres? ...and a related question might be: Do music genres tend to start out male-dominated and then slowly become more "egalitarian"? --- Ben Browett <ben@eskimo.force9.co.uk> wrote:

quoted 9 lines Actually, i'm doing some sociology coursework into

> Actually, i'm doing some sociology coursework into > this. From what I've > seen, although there are females into this music, it > does look to be male > dominated. I have no idea why and trying to look > into this, any comments > would be greatly appreciated. I have had some > suggestions, mostly that it is > more 'technical' for one reason or another.

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well, compare it to a mechanic or a fix it man. Guys just love that technical kinda shit haha.... d --- Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> wrote:

quoted 45 lines Well, I thought the first post was a joke, but since

> Well, I thought the first post was a joke, but since > I > seem to be in the mood to spew forth some garbage > today, here are my thoughts: > > Isn't *most* music pretty male-dominated? I've > always > thought it just followed from the > still-generally-male-dominated nature of western > society. > > The real question would be: is IDM (or just > electronic > music) more male-dominated than other genres? > > ...and a related question might be: Do music genres > tend to start out male-dominated and then slowly > become more "egalitarian"? > > --- Ben Browett <ben@eskimo.force9.co.uk> wrote: > > Actually, i'm doing some sociology coursework into > > this. From what I've > > seen, although there are females into this music, > it > > does look to be male > > dominated. I have no idea why and trying to look > > into this, any comments > > would be greatly appreciated. I have had some > > suggestions, mostly that it is > > more 'technical' for one reason or another. > > > > ===== > .Adam > http://www.damek.org/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, > just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > >

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i think it all comes down to that brainsize problem. Everyone knows males have a bigger brain... In all seriousness *putting on my glasses*... I think it has to do with the years and centuries of being socialized a certain way. Technology in general is something that more males then females are raised to learn and appreciate. That one is clear as day. Music... well, i know I read research before that musical talent is more encouraged in boys then girls. Boys get those guitar lessons and stuff for their 7th birthday. Culturally, everyone knows guys with the biggest record collections who also make music and happen to be a deeeeeeeejaaay get laid much faster. Evolution in its finest. :)

quoted 48 lines From: Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org>

>From: Adam Piontek <adam@damek.org> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males >Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:00:11 -0800 (PST) > >Well, I thought the first post was a joke, but since I >seem to be in the mood to spew forth some garbage >today, here are my thoughts: > >Isn't *most* music pretty male-dominated? I've always >thought it just followed from the >still-generally-male-dominated nature of western >society. > >The real question would be: is IDM (or just electronic >music) more male-dominated than other genres? > >...and a related question might be: Do music genres >tend to start out male-dominated and then slowly >become more "egalitarian"? > >--- Ben Browett <ben@eskimo.force9.co.uk> wrote: > > Actually, i'm doing some sociology coursework into > > this. From what I've > > seen, although there are females into this music, it > > does look to be male > > dominated. I have no idea why and trying to look > > into this, any comments > > would be greatly appreciated. I have had some > > suggestions, mostly that it is > > more 'technical' for one reason or another. > > > >===== >.Adam >http://www.damek.org/ > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. >http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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in my experience, i find that guys are generally more obsessive with their interests, and usually to the point of competion....i totally argee the guy with the3 biggest record collection wins....i think women are just a wee bit smarter than us guys and if a girl is really that interested in music she just finds a guy that is a fanatic and there you go...she doesn't really need to buy music...he buys it all for her... so while men are comparing their collections...women are still just comparing their men.. as far as making music....i agree with this statement

quoted 3 lines Music... well, i know I read research before that musical talent is more

> Music... well, i know I read research before that musical talent is more > encouraged in boys then girls. Boys get those guitar lessons and stuff for > their 7th birthday.

and girls tend..so i've noticed...to get ballet lessons....although some get piano lessons....and thanks for that, other wise i would have such a great keyboard player...haha k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yeah, I tagged on to it after re-reading it. Anyway, I'm going to be having to do some research in the near future so would you answer some questions if I put them together? (and that applies to anyone). I don't know anyone into IDM so I reckon the net is an excellent medium. Cheers, Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "%andrew" <rabbits@atomly.com> To: "Ben Browett" <ben@eskimo.force9.co.uk> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males

quoted 10 lines Ha ha, cool. I was being sarcastic with that comment, but I think it would

> > Ha ha, cool. I was being sarcastic with that comment, but I think it would > be an interesting area of research. Let me know if you find anything neat. > > -andrew > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Ben Browett wrote: > > > Actually, i'm doing some sociology coursework into this. From what I've > > seen, although there are females into this music, it does look to be

male

quoted 2 lines dominated. I have no idea why and trying to look into this, any comments

> > dominated. I have no idea why and trying to look into this, any comments > > would be greatly appreciated. I have had some suggestions, mostly that

it is

quoted 3 lines more 'technical' for one reason or another.

> > more 'technical' for one reason or another. > > > > I'm new to this list, is there anyone up north in Sheffield, and if so,

can

quoted 1 line you recomend any nights that play good music? I seem to be missing it

> > you recomend any nights that play good music? I seem to be missing it

all

quoted 17 lines and I don't want to leave this city before I find it.

> > and I don't want to leave this city before I find it. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ben > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "%andrew" <rabbits@atomly.com> > > To: "idmwanks" <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 5:29 PM > > Subject: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males > > > > > > > > > > Wait, does this thread have anything to do with why girls don't like > > > IDM? I see a lot of similarities here; IDM seems to only appeal to

suave,

quoted 26 lines rational males. Please explain.

> > > rational males. Please explain. > > > > > > -andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- > rabbits > http://rabbits.atomly.com > > > >

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quoted 1 line Culturally, everyone knows guys with the biggest record collections who

> Culturally, everyone knows guys with the biggest record collections who

also

quoted 1 line make music and happen to be a deeeeeeeejaaay get laid much faster.

> make music and happen to be a deeeeeeeejaaay get laid much faster.

Evolution

quoted 1 line in its finest. :)

> in its finest. :)

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ya generally they can read and play amazingly well, but once you take away the sheet music they can't play...i play in a post rock/kinda improv outfit, and it has taken a year but our keyboard player is slowly getting more and more comfortable with making up her own music...and playing more complex parts...it is great....but it took a year of slowly coaxing it out of her... k ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Browett" <ben@eskimo.force9.co.uk> To: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org>; "Kris Burwash" <kristop@sprint.ca> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males

quoted 16 lines As it was said, the genders tend to be socialised into specific 'gender

> As it was said, the genders tend to be socialised into specific 'gender > defining' activities. I know a lot of girls who take piano lessons, but I > don't think they are particularly encouraged to apply this to making any > other kind of music. Its a real shame in a way because why would it not be > just as good? > > Ben > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Burwash" <kristop@sprint.ca> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males > > > > in my experience, i find that guys are generally more obsessive with

their

quoted 5 lines interests, and usually to the point of competion....i totally argee the

> > interests, and usually to the point of competion....i totally argee the > guy > > with the3 biggest record collection wins....i think women are just a wee > bit > > smarter than us guys and if a girl is really that interested in music

she

quoted 9 lines just finds a guy that is a fanatic and there you go...she doesn't really

> > just finds a guy that is a fanatic and there you go...she doesn't really > > need to buy music...he buys it all for her... > > > > so while men are comparing their collections...women are still just > > comparing their men.. > > > > as far as making music....i agree with this statement > > > > > Music... well, i know I read research before that musical talent is

more

quoted 7 lines encouraged in boys then girls. Boys get those guitar lessons and stuff

> > > encouraged in boys then girls. Boys get those guitar lessons and stuff > for > > > their 7th birthday. > > > > and girls tend..so i've noticed...to get ballet lessons....although some > get > > piano lessons....and thanks for that, other wise i would have such a

great

quoted 14 lines keyboard player...haha

> > keyboard player...haha > > > > k > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >

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As it was said, the genders tend to be socialised into specific 'gender defining' activities. I know a lot of girls who take piano lessons, but I don't think they are particularly encouraged to apply this to making any other kind of music. Its a real shame in a way because why would it not be just as good? Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Burwash" <kristop@sprint.ca> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males

quoted 2 lines in my experience, i find that guys are generally more obsessive with their

> in my experience, i find that guys are generally more obsessive with their > interests, and usually to the point of competion....i totally argee the

guy

quoted 1 line with the3 biggest record collection wins....i think women are just a wee

> with the3 biggest record collection wins....i think women are just a wee

bit

quoted 11 lines smarter than us guys and if a girl is really that interested in music she

> smarter than us guys and if a girl is really that interested in music she > just finds a guy that is a fanatic and there you go...she doesn't really > need to buy music...he buys it all for her... > > so while men are comparing their collections...women are still just > comparing their men.. > > as far as making music....i agree with this statement > > > Music... well, i know I read research before that musical talent is more > > encouraged in boys then girls. Boys get those guitar lessons and stuff

for

quoted 3 lines their 7th birthday.

> > their 7th birthday. > > and girls tend..so i've noticed...to get ballet lessons....although some

get

quoted 13 lines piano lessons....and thanks for that, other wise i would have such a great

> piano lessons....and thanks for that, other wise i would have such a great > keyboard player...haha > > k > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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You may only be semi serious on this topic, but what you guys are saying is actually a real start to my work. Cheers, Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Burwash" <kristop@sprint.ca> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males

quoted 18 lines ya generally they can read and play amazingly well, but once you take away

> ya generally they can read and play amazingly well, but once you take away > the sheet music they can't play...i play in a post rock/kinda improv > outfit, and it has taken a year but our keyboard player is slowly getting > more and more comfortable with making up her own music...and playing more > complex parts...it is great....but it took a year of slowly coaxing it out > of her... > > k > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Browett" <ben@eskimo.force9.co.uk> > To: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org>; "Kris Burwash" <kristop@sprint.ca> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males > > > > As it was said, the genders tend to be socialised into specific 'gender > > defining' activities. I know a lot of girls who take piano lessons, but

I

quoted 2 lines don't think they are particularly encouraged to apply this to making any

> > don't think they are particularly encouraged to apply this to making any > > other kind of music. Its a real shame in a way because why would it not

be

quoted 14 lines just as good?

> > just as good? > > > > Ben > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kris Burwash" <kristop@sprint.ca> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males > > > > > > > in my experience, i find that guys are generally more obsessive with > their > > > interests, and usually to the point of competion....i totally argee

the

quoted 2 lines guy

> > guy > > > with the3 biggest record collection wins....i think women are just a

wee

quoted 4 lines bit

> > bit > > > smarter than us guys and if a girl is really that interested in music > she > > > just finds a guy that is a fanatic and there you go...she doesn't

really

quoted 10 lines need to buy music...he buys it all for her...

> > > need to buy music...he buys it all for her... > > > > > > so while men are comparing their collections...women are still just > > > comparing their men.. > > > > > > as far as making music....i agree with this statement > > > > > > > Music... well, i know I read research before that musical talent is > more > > > > encouraged in boys then girls. Boys get those guitar lessons and

stuff

quoted 4 lines for

> > for > > > > their 7th birthday. > > > > > > and girls tend..so i've noticed...to get ballet lessons....although

some

quoted 25 lines get

> > get > > > piano lessons....and thanks for that, other wise i would have such a > great > > > keyboard player...haha > > > > > > k > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Maybe you were just joking, but....

quoted 4 lines i think women are just a wee bit

>i think women are just a wee bit > smarter than us guys and if a girl is really that interested in music she > just finds a guy that is a fanatic and there you go...she doesn't really > need to buy music...he buys it all for her...

Excuse me? Could you take half a second to unpack one of the most blatant and outdated stereotypes still circulating? Women are rarely parasitic consumers attached to men with money. This is particularly ridiculous at a time when (American) women are present in the workforce, earning wages (though getting paid isn't the only signifier of labor, since house*work* is just that) , and supporting themselves more than ever before.

quoted 2 lines so while men are comparing their collections...women are still just

> so while men are comparing their collections...women are still just > comparing their men..

Do you get all your information about women by reading Cosmo? You seem to imply that women have nothing better to do than think about men... that they don't engage in any meaningful work or pasttimes (other than consuming, of course). Ah, and women "still" do this... as if they are more resistant to change than your average, dynamic man? Please. I'm not going to purport to speak for all of 'womankind', nor even all American women, but I think it's fair to say that in many (if not most) cases, your opinions are offensive and bunk. -Ariana --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

ya i know....i was being silly, however.... i do run a record store and can honestly say that my customer base is 99% male...and every woman i have ever been involved with listens to good music but never buys anything. that was the

quoted 2 lines in my experience, i find that guys are generally more obsessive with their

>in my experience, i find that guys are generally more obsessive with their >interests, and usually to the point of ....

sorry to have offended.....but i do still stand by the point that

quoted 2 lines i think women are just a wee bit

> >i think women are just a wee bit > > smarter than us guys

and if that bothers you well i guess we'll just have to disagree k i'll try be less silly from now on.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ariana Paulson" <ariana@mimeticmusic.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males

quoted 4 lines Maybe you were just joking, but....

> Maybe you were just joking, but.... > > >i think women are just a wee bit > > smarter than us guys and if a girl is really that interested in music

she

quoted 6 lines just finds a guy that is a fanatic and there you go...she doesn't really

> > just finds a guy that is a fanatic and there you go...she doesn't really > > need to buy music...he buys it all for her... > > Excuse me? Could you take half a second to unpack one of the most blatant > and outdated stereotypes still circulating? Women are rarely parasitic > consumers attached to men with money. This is particularly ridiculous at

a

quoted 2 lines time when (American) women are present in the workforce, earning wages

> time when (American) women are present in the workforce, earning wages > (though getting paid isn't the only signifier of labor, since house*work*

is

quoted 8 lines just that) , and supporting themselves more than ever before.

> just that) , and supporting themselves more than ever before. > > > > so while men are comparing their collections...women are still just > > comparing their men.. > > Do you get all your information about women by reading Cosmo? You seem to > imply that women have nothing better to do than think about men... that

they

quoted 2 lines don't engage in any meaningful work or pasttimes (other than consuming, of

> don't engage in any meaningful work or pasttimes (other than consuming, of > course). Ah, and women "still" do this... as if they are more resistant

to

quoted 16 lines change than your average, dynamic man? Please.

> change than your average, dynamic man? Please. > > I'm not going to purport to speak for all of 'womankind', nor even all > American women, but I think it's fair to say that in many (if not most) > cases, your opinions are offensive and bunk. > > -Ariana > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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no prob, i tend to forget that my wit and charm don't translate well in text only mediums...

quoted 2 lines No need to do that. I just have to wonder when I see someone flawlessly

> No need to do that. I just have to wonder when I see someone flawlessly > reproduce questionable social assumptions without letting on that they're

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The real question would be: is IDM (or just electronic music) more male-dominated than other genres? remember the Freemasons... philippe Cray "undo" [bleep 09] Cray is the sound of digital dreams, soundtracks for other worlds, the dirt on the street magnified, nano technology music. Ross Healy has been an active member of the Melbourne music scene since 1988 and has released recordings with projects such as Eden, Amnesia, 56k and This Digital Ocean. Cray’s first release was the “Comment” mini-cd for Irish label, Fallt. Influenced by both contemporary digital technology and early sound pioneers like Pierre Henry, David Tudor and Tod Dockstader. His second release, “Undo” (BiP_ HoP) presents the adventurous listener with etched sound worlds; carved sine waves,slices of twisted time, but with a faint memory of melody. Enhanced video CD http://www.bip-hop.com

Cheers Dan, Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Young" <dan@pixelfruit.com> To: <ben@eskimo.force9.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males

quoted 13 lines just read your posting on idm...

> just read your posting on idm... > > I graduated from Leeds Uni this year. The guys from Crash records run a > loose collective called "Vector" who put on electronic nights mainly > in Leeds, although I know they're involved with things in Manchester > and possibly Sheffield. Check it out if you get the chance. > > http://www.qubik.com/vector > > -- > Daniel > dan@pixelfruit.com >

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I'm very surprised that you've found an entire year to be a long wait for someone to come into their own. This process can take years, if ever, in most people. Don't be so harsh on her. Maybe you've already pushed her to hard. TekDz9er

quoted 8 lines ya generally they can read and play amazingly well, but once you take away

> ya generally they can read and play amazingly well, but once you take away > the sheet music they can't play...i play in a post rock/kinda improv > outfit, and it has taken a year but our keyboard player is slowly getting > more and more comfortable with making up her own music...and playing more > complex parts...it is great....but it took a year of slowly coaxing it out > of her... > > k

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didn't say i found it to be a long wait, or that we are harsh on her, actually it is quiet the opposite, i encourage her every chance i get. i feed her ego....she is a dear friend and i care about her very much, i find it interesting that you assume that i have been demanding it from her. we are talking about a girl who couldn't play in front of strangers a year ago...she is terribly shy, and timid.....i'm proud of her and excited about hearing what she does in the future because she is an amazing player, she just needs to realize it. but then again, maybe next time she plays something that sends shivers down my spine i'll think twice before pushing her to do better.... k ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Salit" <rsalit@nyc.rr.com> To: "IDM List" <idm@hyperreal.org> Cc: <kristop@sprint.ca> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [idm] IDM For Artsy Males

quoted 3 lines I'm very surprised that you've found an entire year to be a long wait for

> I'm very surprised that you've found an entire year to be a long wait for > someone to come into their own. This process can take years, if ever, in > most people. Don't be so harsh on her. Maybe you've already pushed her

to

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> hard. > > TekDz9er > > > ya generally they can read and play amazingly well, but once you take

away

quoted 2 lines the sheet music they can't play...i play in a post rock/kinda improv

> > the sheet music they can't play...i play in a post rock/kinda improv > > outfit, and it has taken a year but our keyboard player is slowly

getting

quoted 1 line more and more comfortable with making up her own music...and playing

> > more and more comfortable with making up her own music...and playing

more

quoted 1 line complex parts...it is great....but it took a year of slowly coaxing it

> > complex parts...it is great....but it took a year of slowly coaxing it

out

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> > of her... > > > > k > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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