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quoted 2 lines I guess what I am saying is to get over the old music, and start

> I guess what I am saying is to get over the old music, and start > paying attention to the new artists.

In my opinion, this statement is quite "pie in the sky," especially considering that so many new artists are simply re-creating things that older, more established artists have been doing for years (and have since moved on). Buying a load of debut records smacks of indie-elitist mentality, focusing only on what's new and undiscovered instead of just what's good. A lot of the reason people first start listening to IDM is because it's refreshingly different, and involves some thought, and isn't "all about the melody." So, it makes sense that the artists follow suit and make things that are more complex, require more effort, and are generally "about more than just the melody." Imagine all the house fans who heard early Warp records and said "this isn't house -- it's too complex!" or acid fans who bought early aphex and hear a happy non-acid track mixed in there with some great acid tracks. So now we're saying the same thing? Confield is completely different from other "new idm" (which, ironically, sounds more like OLD idm), yet praise "new idm" artists that aren't bringing anything new to the table. Granted, it's not all about being an innovator, but a lot of this genre is based on thinking outside the box. Many of the reviews that get on the list nowadays are *still* referencing records that came out in '95-'97, yet these are your heralded "new artists." I'm hardly a fanboy, but jeez, give credit where credit is due. derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 2:38 PM -0600 10/31/01, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 3 lines Buying a load of debut records smacks of indie-elitist

> Buying a load of debut records smacks of indie-elitist >mentality, focusing only on what's new and undiscovered instead of just >what's good.

to further clarify what i meant in my original post; it's not focusing on what is new and undiscovered that is important. it is the focus on what is new by artists that are NOT aphex twin, autechre, or squarepusher. i think that my posts emphasized points other than the ones you are talking about. i think its more important to point new fans to new artists, instead of having them get old warp back catalogs. although these are important releases, i believe it is more important to focus on new and emerging talents.

quoted 12 lines Imagine all the house fans who heard early Warp records and said "this

>Imagine all the house fans who heard early Warp records and said "this >isn't house -- it's too complex!" or acid fans who bought early aphex and >hear a happy non-acid track mixed in there with some great acid tracks. So >now we're saying the same thing? Confield is completely different from >other "new idm" (which, ironically, sounds more like OLD idm), yet praise >"new idm" artists that aren't bringing anything new to the table. > >Granted, it's not all about being an innovator, but a lot of this genre is >based on thinking outside the box. Many of the reviews that get on the >list nowadays are *still* referencing records that came out in '95-'97, yet >these are your heralded "new artists." I'm hardly a fanboy, but jeez, give >credit where credit is due.

i wouldnt say that new IDM sounds like "old" IDM. what i consider to be old IDM, such as say, Analog Bubblebath 1, or Amber, is incredibly simplistic when you hear it today. listen to the SKAMpler and tell me that any of that music would be considered intricate? todays artists are taking the idea of a simple, melodic structure, and pushing it, adding levels and development. im not going to compare individual artists, here. but then again, i never intended to disrespect old artists in the least. i think we all owe a lot to aphex/autechre/tomj/cylob/gianluigi. but that dosent mean that we should look to them to continue to create the best music and deconstruct their every track. just as we dont expect the rolling stones or aerosmith to create the best rock records, why do we keep worrying about the newest aphex cd? shane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org