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2001-10-31 07:40Grady Stiles [idm] phoenecia sux!!!
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2001-10-31 16:21somrux Re: [idm] Get over the old music. WAS: phoenecia sux!!!
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2001-10-31 16:57somrux Re: [idm] Get over the old music. WAS: phoenecia sux!!!
2001-10-31 20:38EggyToast Re: [idm] Get over the old music. WAS: phoenecia sux!!!
└─ 2001-10-31 20:51Shane Beers Re: [idm] Get over the old music. WAS: phoenecia sux!!!
└─ 2001-10-31 21:59Justin Lovero [idm] Re: phoenecia sux!!! ... LIVE!
2001-10-31 21:09Hackett, Kelley M. RE: [idm] Get over the old music. WAS: phoenecia sux!!!
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2001-10-31 07:40Grady Stilesman, phoenecian warriors my ass! those guys just suck. i just picked up "brownout", and ju
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man, phoenecian warriors my ass! those guys just suck. i just picked up "brownout", and just like autechre's "cornhole" this stuff is straight potty. right down to the crappy artwork. yeh, let's have another flash-inspired simplistic, meaningless, omniscient sense of self-worth indicating graphic design piece for a shitloaded digipack. i need another one. to put on my collectible/fragile part of the cd shelf. which is now buckling under the weight of this incredibly dense field of dsp krap that goes just absolutely nowhere. ahem, melodies, please? sounds like a bale of marijuana being dropped over the everglades, hunh? all i hear is how those guys are so cool, and nice, and how they hang out with autechre... and don't even let me get started on those guys. the day they left their fresh-ass-break-beat-with-meaning style on incunabula was a sad day indeed. "brownout" should have been called that because that's what it sounds like happened in their studio when they made it. it's about as boring as it gets. c'mon, lets hear some more of that 'rhythmbox' miami boyz! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 14:47Greg Smithon 10/30/01 11:40 PM, Grady Stiles at gradystiles@mac.com scrawled: > > sounds like a bale
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on 10/30/01 11:40 PM, Grady Stiles at gradystiles@mac.com scrawled:
quoted 10 lines sounds like a bale of marijuana being dropped over the everglades,> > sounds like a bale of marijuana being dropped over the everglades, > hunh? all i hear is how those guys are so cool, and nice, and how > they hang out with autechre... and don't even let me get started on > those guys. the day they left their > fresh-ass-break-beat-with-meaning style on incunabula was a sad day > indeed. "brownout" should have been called that because that's what > it sounds like happened in their studio when they made it. it's about > as boring as it gets. >
I have been on this list for 2 days. Can I expect a "things aren't the way they used to be" review for every new album that comes out? Boo hoo.. ~g -- Greg Smith http://www.technowest.org http://www.laiad.com http://www.mediawhore.cc <-- site launch Jan 1/02 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 18:08ff g"the day they left their > fresh-ass-break-beat-with-meaning style on > incunabula was a s
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quoted 3 lines fresh-ass-break-beat-with-meaning style on> fresh-ass-break-beat-with-meaning style on > incunabula was a sad day > indeed."
go get a delorian and hit up early 90's and stay there you loser. according to you, lets all just do the same shit over again. heard of abstraction? maybe youre not intelligent enough to pick up on new melodic/ rhythmic endeavors. d wow man, youre really innovative. --- Grady Stiles <gradystiles@mac.com> wrote:
quoted 38 lines man, phoenecian warriors my ass!> man, phoenecian warriors my ass! > > those guys just suck. i just picked up "brownout", > and just like > autechre's "cornhole" this stuff is straight potty. > right down to > the crappy artwork. yeh, let's have another > flash-inspired > simplistic, meaningless, omniscient sense of > self-worth indicating > graphic design piece for a shitloaded digipack. i > need another one. > to put on my collectible/fragile part of the cd > shelf. which is now > buckling under the weight of this incredibly dense > field of dsp krap > that goes just absolutely nowhere. ahem, melodies, > please? > > sounds like a bale of marijuana being dropped over > the everglades, > hunh? all i hear is how those guys are so cool, and > nice, and how > they hang out with autechre... and don't even let me > get started on > those guys. the day they left their > fresh-ass-break-beat-with-meaning style on > incunabula was a sad day > indeed. "brownout" should have been called that > because that's what > it sounds like happened in their studio when they > made it. it's about > as boring as it gets. > > c'mon, lets hear some more of that 'rhythmbox' miami > boyz! > >
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2001-10-31 15:32somrux"Greg Smith" <purgasmith@earthlink.net> wrote: > I have been on this list for 2 days. Can
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"Greg Smith" <purgasmith@earthlink.net> wrote:
quoted 1 line I have been on this list for 2 days. Can I expect a "things aren't the> I have been on this list for 2 days. Can I expect a "things aren't the
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quoted 1 line they used to be" review for every new album that comes out? Boo hoo..> they used to be" review for every new album that comes out? Boo hoo..
No, but you *can* expect this list to be a place where people often express their opinion's of music - whether it's old music or new. Which is the whole point - a place where people can discuss the music of Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada, Squarepusher, and the like. -somrux. http://www.somrux.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 15:47Shane Beers>No, but you *can* expect this list to be a place where people often express >their opinio
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quoted 4 lines No, but you *can* expect this list to be a place where people often express>No, but you *can* expect this list to be a place where people often express >their opinion's of music - whether it's old music or new. Which is the >whole point - a place where people can discuss the music of Aphex Twin, >Boards of Canada, Squarepusher, and the like.
| -somrux. why the heck do we insist on classifying "IDM" as the same old artists. i dont even LISTEN to aphex or squarepusher anymore. squarepushers last decent album was big loada. aphex's was the RDJ album! autechre hasn't made a good album since Chaistic Slide. the point is is that the face of good electronic music has changed, and we have to admit this, instead of telling people to go buy Autechre's back catalog. With artists like B. Fleischmann, Abfahrt Hinwil, Solvent, Arovane, Prefuse 73, and many others coming on strong, there isn't any reason to continue talking about has-been artists who haven't made a decent track since 1997. And even if you want to talk about "old" classics, why not bring up stuff like Funkstorung, Bochum Welt, Cylob, and Push Button Objects? The 1990's weren't owned by RDJ and Booth & Brown. Continuing to pigeonhole the idea of "IDM" into the few artists constantly mentioned limits the scope of records that new members may want to check out. While I am not saying that somrux was saying exactly what I am talking about, his comment shows how limited in diversity most of the music mentioned on IDM is. i, for one, cannot even fathom how so many people have chimed in about aphex's new CD drukqs. do we really need 50 emails with one-sentence replies about how good or bad you think it is? the man hasn't made anything worth talking about in years. why do we hang on, waiting for any piss of his to hit our ears? why not read some release lists and get listening to some new music? my rant is over. replies with actual thought-out sentences will be read. anything else will be ignored. shane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 16:21somruxYou have a good point, but the following line that I included in my original post: "a plac
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You have a good point, but the following line that I included in my original post: "a place where people can discuss the music of Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada, Squarepusher, and the like" is just a general description of what goes on here ("and the like" being the key phrase here). It'd take way more patience than I have to list all of the other artists that are discussed here besides the ones I mentioned... there are just too many. Looking back through the tons archives, the artists you mentioned (B. Fleischmann, Solvent, Arovane, Prefuse 73) are discussed very very regularly here, so I guess that I'm not seeing what your gripe is about... Was it just a general one saying that ppl on-list should stop talking about Aphex or BoC or squarepusher, or is that you feel other artists in the same genre (more-or-less) should be talked about more? eh??? I don't get it. -somrux. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Beers" <sbeers@agencyultra.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: [idm] Get over the old music. WAS: phoenecia sux!!!
quoted 1 line No, but you *can* expect this list to be a place where people often> >No, but you *can* expect this list to be a place where people often
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quoted 35 lines their opinion's of music - whether it's old music or new. Which is the> >their opinion's of music - whether it's old music or new. Which is the > >whole point - a place where people can discuss the music of Aphex Twin, > >Boards of Canada, Squarepusher, and the like. > | -somrux. > > why the heck do we insist on classifying "IDM" as the same old artists. > i dont even LISTEN to aphex or squarepusher anymore. squarepushers > last decent album was big loada. aphex's was the RDJ album! autechre > hasn't made a good album since Chaistic Slide. the point is is that > the face of good electronic music has changed, and we have to admit > this, instead of telling people to go buy Autechre's back catalog. > > With artists like B. Fleischmann, Abfahrt Hinwil, Solvent, Arovane, > Prefuse 73, and many others coming on strong, there isn't any reason > to continue talking about has-been artists who haven't made a decent > track since 1997. And even if you want to talk about "old" classics, > why not bring up stuff like Funkstorung, Bochum Welt, Cylob, and Push > Button Objects? The 1990's weren't owned by RDJ and Booth & Brown. > Continuing to pigeonhole the idea of "IDM" into the few artists > constantly mentioned limits the scope of records that new members may > want to check out. > > While I am not saying that somrux was saying exactly what I am > talking about, his comment shows how limited in diversity most of the > music mentioned on IDM is. i, for one, cannot even fathom how so many > people have chimed in about aphex's new CD drukqs. do we really need > 50 emails with one-sentence replies about how good or bad you think > it is? the man hasn't made anything worth talking about in years. why > do we hang on, waiting for any piss of his to hit our ears? why not > read some release lists and get listening to some new music? > > my rant is over. replies with actual thought-out sentences will be > read. anything else will be ignored. > > shane
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2001-10-31 16:36Shane BeersAt 10:21 AM -0600 10/31/01, somrux wrote: >You have a good point, but the following line t
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quoted 19 lines You have a good point, but the following line that I included in my original>You have a good point, but the following line that I included in my original >post: "a place where people can discuss the music of Aphex Twin, Boards of >Canada, Squarepusher, and the like" is just a general description of what >goes on here ("and the like" being the key phrase here). It'd take way more >patience than I have to list all of the other artists that are discussed >here besides the ones I mentioned... there are just too many. > >Looking back through the tons archives, the artists you mentioned (B. >Fleischmann, Solvent, Arovane, Prefuse 73) are discussed very very regularly >here, so I guess that I'm not seeing what your gripe is about... Was it just >a general one saying that ppl on-list should stop talking about Aphex or BoC >or squarepusher, or is that you feel other artists in the same genre >(more-or-less) should be talked about more? > >eh??? > >I don't get it. > >-somrux.
My major gripe is that many people only know about a few "IDM" artists, most obviously Aphex, Autechre, and Squarepusher. Anything these guys release is scrutinized and examined and gone over like it's the Shroud of Tourin, when in fact the stuff they are releasing isn't worth even purchasing. The attention on this list, in my eyes, should be going to all the new and spectacular releases coming out. We should be debating just how GOOD the new Solvent CD is, not how awful DrukQs turned out. While new releases/artists are mentioned, most listeners still live in the past. They tell new electronic music fans to "check out Autechre's old stuff", instead of telling them to get the latest Novel23 CD, for example. While appreciation for history is good, and necessary, the tremendous focus the "classic" artists get on this list is disproportional to the quality of the music they are currently producing. I guess what I am saying is to get over the old music, and start paying attention to the new artists. -shane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 16:57somruxWell, personally I feel sorry for anyone who can't be open to new artists and releases and
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Well, personally I feel sorry for anyone who can't be open to new artists and releases and who have to live in the past - musicaly anyways. I enjoy old Autechre & BoC - what can I say? I also enjoy TTAviv, Novel23, arovane, Dub Tractor, blahblah, so on and so on. I think that the AER split is pretty damn nice in parts, too. So I think it's important to keep one's pulse on anything that makes you happy to listen to - whether that amounts to listening to "come to daddy" until your ears bleed or jamming to the new Solvent CD is a personal choice of opinion and taste. And those were my last 2 pennies. -somrux. ----------
quoted 21 lines My major gripe is that many people only know about a few "IDM"> My major gripe is that many people only know about a few "IDM" > artists, most obviously Aphex, Autechre, and Squarepusher. Anything > these guys release is scrutinized and examined and gone over like > it's the Shroud of Tourin, when in fact the stuff they are releasing > isn't worth even purchasing. The attention on this list, in my eyes, > should be going to all the new and spectacular releases coming out. > We should be debating just how GOOD the new Solvent CD is, not how > awful DrukQs turned out. > > While new releases/artists are mentioned, most listeners still live > in the past. They tell new electronic music fans to "check out > Autechre's old stuff", instead of telling them to get the latest > Novel23 CD, for example. While appreciation for history is good, and > necessary, the tremendous focus the "classic" artists get on this > list is disproportional to the quality of the music they are > currently producing. > > I guess what I am saying is to get over the old music, and start > paying attention to the new artists. > > -shane
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2001-10-31 20:38EggyToast> I guess what I am saying is to get over the old music, and start > paying attention to t
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quoted 2 lines I guess what I am saying is to get over the old music, and start> I guess what I am saying is to get over the old music, and start > paying attention to the new artists.
In my opinion, this statement is quite "pie in the sky," especially considering that so many new artists are simply re-creating things that older, more established artists have been doing for years (and have since moved on). Buying a load of debut records smacks of indie-elitist mentality, focusing only on what's new and undiscovered instead of just what's good. A lot of the reason people first start listening to IDM is because it's refreshingly different, and involves some thought, and isn't "all about the melody." So, it makes sense that the artists follow suit and make things that are more complex, require more effort, and are generally "about more than just the melody." Imagine all the house fans who heard early Warp records and said "this isn't house -- it's too complex!" or acid fans who bought early aphex and hear a happy non-acid track mixed in there with some great acid tracks. So now we're saying the same thing? Confield is completely different from other "new idm" (which, ironically, sounds more like OLD idm), yet praise "new idm" artists that aren't bringing anything new to the table. Granted, it's not all about being an innovator, but a lot of this genre is based on thinking outside the box. Many of the reviews that get on the list nowadays are *still* referencing records that came out in '95-'97, yet these are your heralded "new artists." I'm hardly a fanboy, but jeez, give credit where credit is due. derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 20:51Shane BeersAt 2:38 PM -0600 10/31/01, EggyToast wrote: > Buying a load of debut records smacks of ind
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quoted 3 lines Buying a load of debut records smacks of indie-elitist> Buying a load of debut records smacks of indie-elitist >mentality, focusing only on what's new and undiscovered instead of just >what's good.
to further clarify what i meant in my original post; it's not focusing on what is new and undiscovered that is important. it is the focus on what is new by artists that are NOT aphex twin, autechre, or squarepusher. i think that my posts emphasized points other than the ones you are talking about. i think its more important to point new fans to new artists, instead of having them get old warp back catalogs. although these are important releases, i believe it is more important to focus on new and emerging talents.
quoted 12 lines Imagine all the house fans who heard early Warp records and said "this>Imagine all the house fans who heard early Warp records and said "this >isn't house -- it's too complex!" or acid fans who bought early aphex and >hear a happy non-acid track mixed in there with some great acid tracks. So >now we're saying the same thing? Confield is completely different from >other "new idm" (which, ironically, sounds more like OLD idm), yet praise >"new idm" artists that aren't bringing anything new to the table. > >Granted, it's not all about being an innovator, but a lot of this genre is >based on thinking outside the box. Many of the reviews that get on the >list nowadays are *still* referencing records that came out in '95-'97, yet >these are your heralded "new artists." I'm hardly a fanboy, but jeez, give >credit where credit is due.
i wouldnt say that new IDM sounds like "old" IDM. what i consider to be old IDM, such as say, Analog Bubblebath 1, or Amber, is incredibly simplistic when you hear it today. listen to the SKAMpler and tell me that any of that music would be considered intricate? todays artists are taking the idea of a simple, melodic structure, and pushing it, adding levels and development. im not going to compare individual artists, here. but then again, i never intended to disrespect old artists in the least. i think we all owe a lot to aphex/autechre/tomj/cylob/gianluigi. but that dosent mean that we should look to them to continue to create the best music and deconstruct their every track. just as we dont expect the rolling stones or aerosmith to create the best rock records, why do we keep worrying about the newest aphex cd? shane --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 21:59Justin LoveroThose of you bagging on Phoenecia should go to the Warp site and listen to their live stre
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Those of you bagging on Phoenecia should go to the Warp site and listen to their live stream from Nesh. Mmmm.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-10-31 21:09Hackett, Kelley M.>>give credit where credit is due. That wont happen! I cant speak on Confield, but I cant
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quoted 1 line give credit where credit is due.>>give credit where credit is due.
That wont happen! I cant speak on Confield, but I cant say that all that damn music in the 90's that I was missing because I was too busy buying mixed Rapp tapes from the giants in my hood had me missing out on a GREAT DEAL of quality music that I completely adore now. I mean really, I breathe, eat and sleep this stuff....and get all excited about it...... My apologies now that I think about it, because all of my friends tell me that I am off the track when it comes to music and being enthused by it, so I KNOW my comments are coming off wrong. To appreciate both would be the key, but damn, I could stay back here and not feel left out(I am that satisfied). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org