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2001-08-19 19:59Static Eden [idm] timeless music topic
2001-08-21 12:51Digital Cutup Lounge Re: [idm] timeless music topic
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2001-08-27 07:05Digital Cutup Lounge Re: [idm] timeless music topic
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2001-08-19 19:59Static Eden"it seems to me that the timelessness of IDM is severely undermined by the fact that so mu
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"it seems to me that the timelessness of IDM is severely undermined by the fact that so much of the music is created in the context of ever-changing technology, which doesn't lead musicians to spend as much time perfecting their compositional skills. this isn't necessarily a bad thing (I often describe myself as being more interested in sound rather than music), but this does lead to a large percentage of music which is forgotten or outdated when the next set of plugins makes the rounds." Well, I'm not sure about this really. A lot of IDM focuses around using older synths and electronic technology that has been available for quite some time now. I think this is less a problem with IDM in general and more with musicians who constantly rely on the newest technologies and developments to create their music. I'm not saying either route is better or not--plenty of great stuff has been made on centuries old instruments as well as newly developed software. "the only electronic music which I'm pretty convinced will be listened to far into the future is kraftwerk. ... i could almost believe brian eno also fits into this category - primarily because he's been involved in so many parts of music history. but his actual music (or at least the ambient works i've heard thus far) are not striking enough to make me believe people will bother with him 50 years after he's gone." This whole statement is interesting, but I don't think any of us can really say who or what in music will last. It depends on cultural memory. The reason so much of the classical stuff has lasted has a great deal to do with what has been recorded and remembered. Obscure classical composers from the same time as Beethoven and Bach are being re-discovered and highly regarded in the same way. Technology has improved over the past 60 years or so to such a degree that such re-discovery has actual been more like re-firing brain synapses that were dying out. A lot of the music revered from the past century is simply regarded because it's more easily remembered. Cultural memory is short-lived. I wonder how much longer the Beatles will insist on being remembered. And let us not forget the impatient minds growing up this very instant--many of them will not regard a lot of this music. There is too much out there being 'remembered' to choose from that is happening right now. Too much choice as opposed to very little choice centuries ago--when they took mostly what came to them or what they had the chance to hear with more limited channels of information. Blah. Most of electronic music (mostly I would imagine more mainstream stuff than the avant garde, take this statement whatever way you want) has evolved from using old technology anyways--808 drums, analog synths making weird otherworldly sounds rather than imitating acoustic ones-- despite a very large amount of new technology. Goes to show that it's more how you use the technology as a form of sound or music. Enough puke from us. cheers, Mark & Melissa hellothisisalex www.hellothisisalex.com / records.hellothisisalex.com mp3s at www.raw42.com/cgi-bin/featuredartist.pl?artist=213; www.headjunk.com mark@hellothisisalex
2001-08-21 12:51Digital Cutup Lounge>"it seems to me that the timelessness of IDM is severely undermined by the fact that so m
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quoted 2 lines "it seems to me that the timelessness of IDM is severely undermined by the fact that >"it seems to me that the timelessness of IDM is severely undermined by the fact that so much of the music is created in the context of ever-changing technology, which doesn't lead musicians to spend as much time perfecting their compositional skills. >
I don't know about this...seems to me that compositional skills are developed to a large degree independently of the tools you're using. I find that I often end up making similar sounds no matter what equipment or software I am using because they are the sounds I like. John -- John von Seggern DJ/producer Digital Cutup Lounge Hong Kong http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-21 13:32Adam Piontek--- Digital Cutup Lounge <johnvon@digitalcutuplounge.com> wrote: > > >"it seems to me that
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--- Digital Cutup Lounge <johnvon@digitalcutuplounge.com> wrote:
quoted 15 lines "it seems to me that the timelessness of IDM is> > >"it seems to me that the timelessness of IDM is > severely undermined by the fact that so much of the > music is created in the context of ever-changing > technology, which doesn't lead musicians to spend as > much time perfecting their compositional skills. > > > I don't know about this...seems to me that > compositional skills are > developed to a large degree independently of the > tools you're using. I > find that I often end up making similar sounds no > matter what equipment > or software I am using because they are the sounds I > like.
sounds to me like you just proved his point... -Adam __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-21 12:57SYLK130@aol.comTimelessness in Music is relative to who is listening.....like Digeradoo by Aphex Twin to
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Timelessness in Music is relative to who is listening.....like Digeradoo by Aphex Twin to me is as timeless as a Stevie Wonder record......you have to listen to the record and think of it in its context......also, timelessness is measured by success and popularity which is true and not true.....you have to think to what extent are yu measuring this....... king britt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-27 07:05Digital Cutup LoungeAdam Piontek wrote: >>>"it seems to me that the timelessness of IDM is >>> >>severely unde
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Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 20 lines "it seems to me that the timelessness of IDM is>>>"it seems to me that the timelessness of IDM is >>> >>severely undermined by the fact that so much of the >>music is created in the context of ever-changing >>technology, which doesn't lead musicians to spend as >>much time perfecting their compositional skills. >> >>I don't know about this...seems to me that >>compositional skills are >>developed to a large degree independently of the >>tools you're using. I >>find that I often end up making similar sounds no >>matter what equipment >>or software I am using because they are the sounds I >>like. >> > >sounds to me like you just proved his point... >-Adam >
What you say?! I don't get it Adam... John -- John von Seggern DJ/producer Digital Cutup Lounge Hong Kong http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com