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(idm) obscure? obscure not?

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◇ merged from 2 subjects: (idm) obscure? obscure not? · (idm) pooey on autechre..
1999-10-18 13:31Mark Barton Re: (idm) pooey on autechre..
1999-10-18 20:14david turgeon (idm) obscure? obscure not?
1999-10-19 08:19Mark Barton Re: (idm) obscure? obscure not?
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1999-10-18 13:31Mark Bartonhi david, this isn't meant to sound like a challenge!! but i'd be interested in knowing wh
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Mark Barton
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david turgeon
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Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:31:45 +0100
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Re: (idm) pooey on autechre..
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hi david, this isn't meant to sound like a challenge!! but i'd be interested in knowing which acts you feel are being obscured by the larger artists? cheers, mark. http://www.mp3.com/barkertrax
quoted 2 lines No offense, in fact after listening to ep7 four or five times I'd offer>> No offense, in fact after listening to ep7 four or five times I'd offer >> support to your reticence, but I thought I'd just point it out. Shall we
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quoted 1 line pledges now to not buy the new Boards Of Canada album coming out in>> pledges now to not buy the new Boards Of Canada album coming out in
December,
quoted 16 lines just so we can be different?>> just so we can be different? > >actually, yes. there are many more interesting albums to buy, in my >humble & easily dismissable opinion. all of which get far less good >press than they deserve, while decent idm acts like boards of canada or >say bola get so overhyped they actually obscure other good music which >doesn't live by said hype. > >as a side note: supporting the same acts over & over regardless of what >they do just puts the entire music scene in stagnation & forces new >artists to imitate the 'current sound' to get a piece of hype >themselves. that's what you get from buying ae records out of habit, >rather than because you really like them. > >~ david >
1999-10-18 20:14david turgeon> hi david, > this isn't meant to sound like a challenge!! > but i'd be interested in know
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Mark Barton
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Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:14:23 -0400
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(idm) obscure? obscure not?
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quoted 4 lines hi david,> hi david, > this isn't meant to sound like a challenge!! > but i'd be interested in knowing which acts you feel are being obscured by > the larger artists?
it's not a matter of who's being obscured & who's not. it's more of a global thing: a select few get lots of press & talk among music enthusiasts while a bunch gets none, no matter how good they are. pointing at actual acts wouldn't help the situation, in fact it wouldn't say anything other than 'i like these guys, but i have the hardest freaking time finding their records in the stores i go because they don't sound _standard_.' the other problem is that while i'd be happy if there was more talk about say, funckarma or while rather than autechre & boards of canada (to only talk of purely idm stuff), this is merely a personal preference. what irks me isn't the fact that people don't talk about my favorite bands, but rather that the same few bands get all the attention over & over & that there is comparatively very little talk (& very little commercial backing) for other acts. this leads to the following absurd situation: autechre could record a 12" of farts on warp while a fledging new band will have the hardest time getting any attention (we're not even beginning to talk of pressing a good 12") unless they start sounding like someone known. you may say that there's nothing you can do about the general situation... but there's something you can do locally, if you find yourself interested in fringe acts: get informed, try new bands, check out new stuff. that said, if autechre (which is the example i'm using mostly because it gets most of the talk on this list, & understandably so) rocks your cradle more than any act in the world ever will, this doesn't apply to you. my problem is with 'habit buying': people shelling out money for skam/mas stuff no matter how they sound, without even the intent of collecting them or anything ~ all they want is new music, but they'll buy only what they know. as may be applicable with everything i say, 'if the hat fits...' ~ david
1999-10-19 08:19Mark Bartonhi david, i think that i agree with you pretty much about not buying material 'on spec'. a
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Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:19:37 +0100
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Re: (idm) obscure? obscure not?
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hi david, i think that i agree with you pretty much about not buying material 'on spec'. although i think that my reasons for this may be slightly different, in so much as i just got bored of getting stuff home only to find that it was completely mediocre! i also figure that i have a finite amount of cash with which to purchase new music and i'd rather spend that money on hearing stuff that will challenge me rather than buying another more-of-the-same release. cheers, mark. http://www.mp3.com/barkertrax
quoted 3 lines hi david,>> hi david, >> this isn't meant to sound like a challenge!! >> but i'd be interested in knowing which acts you feel are being obscured
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quoted 38 lines the larger artists?>> the larger artists? > >it's not a matter of who's being obscured & who's not. it's more of a >global thing: a select few get lots of press & talk among music >enthusiasts while a bunch gets none, no matter how good they are. >pointing at actual acts wouldn't help the situation, in fact it wouldn't >say anything other than 'i like these guys, but i have the hardest >freaking time finding their records in the stores i go because they >don't sound _standard_.' > >the other problem is that while i'd be happy if there was more talk >about say, funckarma or while rather than autechre & boards of canada >(to only talk of purely idm stuff), this is merely a personal >preference. what irks me isn't the fact that people don't talk about my >favorite bands, but rather that the same few bands get all the attention >over & over & that there is comparatively very little talk (& very >little commercial backing) for other acts. > >this leads to the following absurd situation: autechre could record a >12" of farts on warp while a fledging new band will have the hardest >time getting any attention (we're not even beginning to talk of pressing >a good 12") unless they start sounding like someone known. you may say >that there's nothing you can do about the general situation... but >there's something you can do locally, if you find yourself interested in >fringe acts: get informed, try new bands, check out new stuff. > >that said, if autechre (which is the example i'm using mostly because it >gets most of the talk on this list, & understandably so) rocks your >cradle more than any act in the world ever will, this doesn't apply to >you. my problem is with 'habit buying': people shelling out money for >skam/mas stuff no matter how they sound, without even the intent of >collecting them or anything ~ all they want is new music, but they'll >buy only what they know. > >as may be applicable with everything i say, 'if the hat fits...' > >~ david >