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it's nice to see music other than autechre and imitators discussed around here. for a minute it felt like 93-94, when every post was about aphex twin... and imitators. i have to agree that glo-com have the magic touch. about these:

quoted 3 lines *Jedi Knights - The Flow remix (Model 500 - The Flow 12" Part 2 - R&S).

>*Jedi Knights - The Flow remix (Model 500 - The Flow 12" Part 2 - R&S). >This didn't make it to the CDS, neither did the Howie B. mix. What a >shame. I haven't heard it.

the "deep space" mixes were almost all excellent. dave angel, howie b, and the j-k's all turned in wicked mixes, i remember ranking them at the top of my list for that year. the jedi knight mix starts and ends with scratches by daddy addy (of plaid fame) and builds up into the best electro tracks they've _ever_ done. the 303 work is unreal.

quoted 2 lines Secret Ingredients - Chicago, Chicago 12" EVO062 (Evolution) - I haven't

>Secret Ingredients - Chicago, Chicago 12" EVO062 (Evolution) - I haven't >heard this; I assume it's House.

quoted 2 lines New York Connection - Bless The Funk EP EVO063 (Evolution) - Push is 9

>New York Connection - Bless The Funk EP EVO063 (Evolution) - Push is 9 >minutes of straightahead House built around a soaring lead synth and a guy

the guy's saying (!) "bless the funk", hence the title. i can tell that you (and most of the people on this list) aren't a house fan, but those into quality deep house or lush detroit will love these. either of these records could have come out on guidance, prescription, balance, relief, cajual, etc...

quoted 2 lines got it on a single CD along w/ some remixes by some House dudes. Begins

>got it on a single CD along w/ some remixes by some House dudes. Begins >w/ The Way (Secret Ingredients Mix), which I found boring until halfway

this is one of my top 5 house tracks, _by anyone_ . the key is how they slowly, word-by-word, bring in the vocal hook "i love the way you make me feel" fucking genius. and after they've brought in the whole verse, they crop those deep, solina-esque strings.

quoted 2 lines Reload - Archive 12" EVO036 (Evolution) - 3 tracks - Soaring 7:43, 6-8

>Reload - Archive 12" EVO036 (Evolution) - 3 tracks - Soaring 7:43, 6-8 >Rhodes 5:37, 4-4 rhodes 4:50. I haven't heard it.

i think this is just one of them. (the one who wasn't in aphex twin?) it's wicked. soaring is a minimal, detroity track with very lush chords. the rhodes tracks feature the same break (once in 6-8, the other time in 4-4, i presume) with more chords and (obviously) a rhodes. one song segues into the other. it's a brilliant record that fans of the as one/teebrooke/op-art sound will really like, i think.

quoted 2 lines Trivia Q Answer: Evolution Records was named after the Carl Craig track

>Trivia Q Answer: Evolution Records was named after the Carl Craig track >Evolution. Apparently Mark's a big fan.

it shows. i always hold out for a stronger house/detroit presence on idm, but alas it is not to be. for the open minded, it's not much of a leap from this kind of stuff to deep house and detroit. it always seems that house and detroit are the one influence of idm artists that "the kids" can't get with. i wonder why? a friend of mine defines idm as "techno with all the house taken out of it" anyone agree? r.

quoted 2 lines the guy's saying (!) "bless the funk", hence the title. i can tell that

>the guy's saying (!) "bless the funk", hence the title. i can tell that >you (and most of the people on this list) aren't a house fan,

well, don't count me in on that assumption! I was ravin the other day here bout the Larry Heard 'Dance 2000 part 2' album that I just can't stop playing, the lushest deep, deep house with some well hardcore aciiiiid tracks too. but those

quoted 28 lines into quality deep house or lush detroit will love these. either of these

>into quality deep house or lush detroit will love these. either of these >records could have come out on guidance, prescription, balance, relief, >cajual, etc... > >>got it on a single CD along w/ some remixes by some House dudes. Begins >>w/ The Way (Secret Ingredients Mix), which I found boring until halfway > >this is one of my top 5 house tracks, _by anyone_ . the key is how they >slowly, word-by-word, bring in the vocal hook "i love the way you make >me feel" fucking genius. and after they've brought in the whole verse, >they crop those deep, solina-esque strings. > >>Reload - Archive 12" EVO036 (Evolution) - 3 tracks - Soaring 7:43, 6-8 >>Rhodes 5:37, 4-4 rhodes 4:50. I haven't heard it. > >i think this is just one of them. (the one who wasn't in aphex twin?) >it's wicked. soaring is a minimal, detroity track with very lush chords. >the rhodes tracks feature the same break (once in 6-8, the other time in >4-4, i presume) with more chords and (obviously) a rhodes. one song >segues into the other. it's a brilliant record that fans of the as >one/teebrooke/op-art sound will really like, i think. > >>Trivia Q Answer: Evolution Records was named after the Carl Craig track >>Evolution. Apparently Mark's a big fan. > >it shows. i always hold out for a stronger house/detroit presence on >idm, but alas it is not to be. for the open minded, it's not much of a >leap from this kind of stuff to deep house and detroit.

I find it hard to believe that people could appreciate IDM stuff without appreciating its roots, surely if you're into one kind of music that has evolved from these sources, it would make you insatiably hungry to hear it all?

quoted 2 lines it always seems that house and detroit are the one influence of idm

>it always seems that house and detroit are the one influence of idm >artists that "the kids" can't get with. i wonder why?

Maybe if you tell em all that the Rephlex lads are well into their house they might get interested, learn some respect? In the little book that came with TRans Europe Express, there was a big Rephlex article, with interviews on Aphex, Cylob, Mike Paradinas, the whole Rephlex crew and they mentioned their top 10 records at the time:- 1. DJ Pierre Box Energy (Trax Records) 2. State 808 with GErald Flow Coma (Creed Records) 3. HOuse addicts Come Together (FFrr) 4. Jack Frost 'Acid Rout' (Trax Records) 5. Farley 'Jackmaster Funk "the acid LIfe' (House REcords) 6. Mr Fingers, The Juice' (Trax REcords) 7. MDIII/Tyree 'Face the Nation' (Underground) 8. Bam Bam 'Where's your child' (Westbrook) 9. Sleazy D 'I've lost control' (Trax) 10. LIddel Townsell "The Groove' (Trax) and Aphex is well into the Jedi Knights too, cos despite his big Humph going on with Tom MIddleton, he was there, at the Blue NOte, ages ago, when the Jedi Knights were playing ... the Blue Note was absolutely rammed that night, and I'd climbed up onto this big amp for a chill and a chuff, and felt this person climb up and sit squashed up besides me, and twas Aphex, gettin well into it!

quoted 2 lines a friend of mine defines idm as "techno with all the house taken out of

>a friend of mine defines idm as "techno with all the house taken out of >it" anyone agree?

hmmm, I know what you mean but don't reeeally agree with it, but sometimes it feels that way on some tracks which sound quite clinically cold to me ... its like the whole "Intelligent Dance" thing, I used to find it really offensive when I'd be going down Speed and some of my friends, hardcore junglers, would be going " she likes her jungle "intelligent", I hated that term, 'intelligent' drum'n'bass as the term seemed to scornfully deride all the other stuff which I was into as well. Aless ps: oh yeh, and talking of him, Tom MIddleton is playing Nubient on Sunday. pps: anyone have an email address for the MOnastery of Sound French geezer?

quoted 1 line r.

>r.

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:24:45 +0100 (BST), you wrote:

quoted 3 lines it shows. i always hold out for a stronger house/detroit presence on

>>it shows. i always hold out for a stronger house/detroit presence on >>idm, but alas it is not to be. for the open minded, it's not much of a >>leap from this kind of stuff to deep house and detroit.

quoted 4 lines I find it hard to believe that people could appreciate IDM stuff without

>I find it hard to believe that people could appreciate IDM stuff without >appreciating its roots, surely if you're into one kind of music that has >evolved from these sources, it would make you insatiably hungry to hear it >all?

there are many more roots to today's sound really.. but i would argue house music to be the strongest of them all. maybe the beats are more electro influenced these days but it's house's repetitive nature that still inspires. i'm over-generalising so i apologise in advance, but it seems that most of the prejudice against house music comes from over the atlantic.. maybe it's because house had its roots in disco, and we all know how much of a hard time disco had in the 80's over there... and since then, house has become more and more like disco stylistically. it's surprising that so many 'free thinkers' have been influenced by the mainstream or maybe house music is just too popular, or just too simple, or just too accessible. there's a great big layer of cheesy crap on top, but that's the price you have to pay for its popularity. (remember the countless crap electro tunes? neither do i, thankfully) look underneath that layer and you will find many talented producers who are making very good music, which is much more subtle than most of today's idm crustiness

quoted 3 lines In the little book that came with TRans Europe Express, there was a big

>In the little book that came with TRans Europe Express, there was a big >Rephlex article, with interviews on Aphex, Cylob, Mike Paradinas, the whole >Rephlex crew and they mentioned their top 10 records at the time:-

quoted 10 lines 1. DJ Pierre Box Energy (Trax Records)

>1. DJ Pierre Box Energy (Trax Records) >2. State 808 with GErald Flow Coma (Creed Records) >3. HOuse addicts Come Together (FFrr) >4. Jack Frost 'Acid Rout' (Trax Records) >5. Farley 'Jackmaster Funk "the acid LIfe' (House REcords) >6. Mr Fingers, The Juice' (Trax REcords) >7. MDIII/Tyree 'Face the Nation' (Underground) >8. Bam Bam 'Where's your child' (Westbrook) >9. Sleazy D 'I've lost control' (Trax) >10. LIddel Townsell "The Groove' (Trax)

the 8 tracks i've heard out of these are all incredible! big respect to rephlex... but WHERE is Laurent X? his Machines EP beats all of these into a cocked hat

quoted 5 lines ... its like the whole "Intelligent Dance" thing, I used to find it really

>... its like the whole "Intelligent Dance" thing, I used to find it really >offensive when I'd be going down Speed and some of my friends, hardcore >junglers, would be going " she likes her jungle "intelligent", I hated that >term, 'intelligent' drum'n'bass as the term seemed to scornfully deride all >the other stuff which I was into as well.

and what's the stuff that has lasted most effectively? the so-called least intelligent jungle, the early hardcore rave, 4-hero etc, which will be listened to long after most of the intelligent bandwagon has passed by.. and i get MUCH MUCH more mileage from the golden amen era than i do from the countless dolphin/rhodes/coffee-book tracks. <waves> Subconscious Geography http://www.sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk +/sale +/cdr

At 05:07 PM 8/21/98 +0000, you wrote:

quoted 5 lines the 8 tracks i've heard out of these are all incredible! big respect

> >the 8 tracks i've heard out of these are all incredible! big respect >to rephlex... but WHERE is Laurent X? his Machines EP beats all of >these into a cocked hat >

After his legendary Machines ep, Mark Imperial aka Laurent X did one more Laurent X ep called Its Magic on the House Nation label. He also did three or four other eps on the House Nation label under his own name. The eps i know of were called The Love I Lost, The Love I Lost rmxs, She Aint Nuthin But a Hoe, and Rock This House 89. All the above releases came out from 87-89. I've heard nothing from him since that time. -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

Lance, Are you thinking of the Laurent Garnier "The Hoe", which came from his latest album "30"? I know that "The Hoe" was on the Crispy Bacon single, it works a tired "She ain't nuthin but a hoe" sample... Unless there's also an EP by Laurent X called this? Bill / dj marathon

quoted 13 lines After his legendary Machines ep, Mark Imperial aka Laurent X

> After his legendary Machines ep, Mark Imperial aka Laurent X > did one more Laurent X ep called Its Magic on the House Nation > label. He also did three or four other eps on the House Nation label > under his own name. The eps i know of were called The Love I Lost, > The Love I Lost rmxs, She Aint Nuthin But a Hoe, and Rock This > House 89. All the above releases came out from 87-89. I've heard > nothing from him since that time. > > -->-Lance--- > p.o. box 450715 > westlake, ohio 44145 > united states >

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At 03:32 PM 8/21/98 -0400, you wrote:

quoted 8 lines Lance,

>Lance, > >Are you thinking of the Laurent Garnier "The Hoe", which came from his >latest album "30"? I know that "The Hoe" was on the Crispy Bacon single, >it works a tired "She ain't nuthin but a hoe" sample... > >Unless there's also an EP by Laurent X called this? >

No there was an ep by Laurent X back in 1989 called She Aint Nuthin But a Hoe on the House Nation label. It's possible that Laurent Garnier's motivation for that track on his 30 lp was that old Laurent X classic. -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

In message <v01540b00b202c7a7208e@[194.112.55.240]>, abenn@dircon.co.uk writes

quoted 15 lines In the little book that came with TRans Europe Express, there was a big

>In the little book that came with TRans Europe Express, there was a big >Rephlex article, with interviews on Aphex, Cylob, Mike Paradinas, the whole >Rephlex crew and they mentioned their top 10 records at the time:- > >1. DJ Pierre Box Energy (Trax Records) >2. State 808 with GErald Flow Coma (Creed Records) >3. HOuse addicts Come Together (FFrr) >4. Jack Frost 'Acid Rout' (Trax Records) >5. Farley 'Jackmaster Funk "the acid LIfe' (House REcords) >6. Mr Fingers, The Juice' (Trax REcords) >7. MDIII/Tyree 'Face the Nation' (Underground) >8. Bam Bam 'Where's your child' (Westbrook) >9. Sleazy D 'I've lost control' (Trax) >10. LIddel Townsell "The Groove' (Trax) >

I'm not into house, but I am into the above records or the style anyway. I can see where aphex/rephlex are coming from with this list, the scene has progressed since then tho unfortunately, and trax like these aren't being made anymore, that's the simple fact. It's like on the Rephlex web pages where they used to have a section saying about good clubs to go to in London, and there was something about after Knowledge at the SW1 club closed there wasn't really anything much worth going to. House nowadays is *nothing* like the house of back then...but the music we all listen to on this list is derived at least partly from the housesound of the 80s...The Knowledge club was about playing whatever was good techno....didn't have to have 303s didn't have to be 909s, just had to be good techno... -- Ben Coffer http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/