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1997-03-01 19:21James M. BonTempo (idm) adverts and films, and their subsequent impact on idm
1997-03-18 10:12Black Dog Droid Re: (idm) Spice Girls
1997-03-18 13:03Blipvert Re: (idm) Spice Girls
└─ 1997-03-19 10:39Black Dog Droid Re: (idm) Spice Girls
1997-03-18 18:28Gonzi (Fresh) Re: (idm) Spice Girls
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1997-03-01 19:21James M. BonTempo> > Advertisments are more honost than film, television or music. They are a > > refined a
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quoted 7 lines Advertisments are more honost than film, television or music. They are a> > Advertisments are more honost than film, television or music. They are a > > refined art brut movement that is far more significant and complex in > > social impact than film is today... > > Hmmm....you think a Cheerio's commercial is more significant and complex > in social impact than Schindler's List? JFK? Natural Born Killers? I > think the problem is you're seeing the wrong films.
i think the significance and complexity of commercials arises out of their widespread distribution...i would guess that more people watch tv than go to the movies...i would also guess that the tv watching population is more diverse than that of the movie-goers...the entire family [from infants to adults to seniors] will throw themselves at the mercy of the "boob tube" on any given evening to watch a horrible string of sitcoms, but i doubt you would see the entire family in the theater to see "natural born killers"...it's that far-reaching, non-discriminatory aspect of commercials that makes them so "significant and complex"...now, tying this all back into idm, would it not then be the case that electronica-backed adverts would be more successful[?] at bringing "intelligent dance music" into the homes of the commoners than films with soundtracks heavy on the dance music [ofcourse, the fact that you can buy a soundtrack to a movie, but not a commercial, does throw this off a bit]? and furthermore, is this really desirable [though we've discussed this ad nauseum recently, i thought it was appropriate to throw it in here]? just some thoughts, jamesbt -- Lead Encoding Specialist N2K Entertainment/Music Boulevard http://www.musicblvd.com http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4055 "mod is a system of codes marshaled toward self-alienation" - matthew waid parker [modslister]
1997-03-18 10:12Black Dog DroidHi Mark, > As far as commercials with DnB, how about Biosphere, Aphex, > Chem Bros, and ma
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Hi Mark,
quoted 2 lines As far as commercials with DnB, how about Biosphere, Aphex,> As far as commercials with DnB, how about Biosphere, Aphex, > Chem Bros, and many others making commercial appearances.
suckers of the corporate cock!
quoted 1 line Don't slag off a genre because people use it for ads.> Don't slag off a genre because people use it for ads.
what? advertisements SUCK! If the product was *any* good, they wouldn't need an advert to sell it to you in the first place. Jeez.. -- + . /\___/\ . * | < The Black Dog > | + * . . * . . * (. .) + | | . * . * + ___ooO__\-/__Ooo___ | | + + + + . /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Dogma >> | http://www.feedback.com/tbd/ * 3-5-3 * (Dis)information > | tbd@feedback.com
1997-03-18 13:03BlipvertBlack Dog Droid wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > > As far as commercials with DnB, how about Biosph
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Black Dog Droid wrote:
quoted 14 lines Hi Mark,> > Hi Mark, > > > As far as commercials with DnB, how about Biosphere, Aphex, > > Chem Bros, and many others making commercial appearances. > > suckers of the corporate cock! > > > Don't slag off a genre because people use it for ads. > > what? > advertisements SUCK! > If the product was *any* good, they wouldn't need > an advert to sell it to you in the first place.
Advertisments are more honost than film, television or music. They are a refined art brut movement that is far more significant and complex in social impact than film is today and they are more interesting to watch. The importance of commercials or advertisments has little to do with product being advertised. Product and capitol gain is only a commission to attempt to subvert the viewers awareness/conciousness through a series of highly compact yet minimaly packaged distractions and information. The best commercials contain no information at all. Throbbing Gristle, PTV and Warhol are obsolete. This is threatening to most artists because commercialism evolves more rapidly than art and it threatens to absorb the artists mosts precious work, wrap it up in plasticity and perfect it in an environment of simulacra. Artists should learn to exist within a commercial environment and exploit the benefits. It is faster than art. It is indistinguishable from good art. (hey BDD, no dis intended to your beleifs or recent troubles, just stating my opinion)
1997-03-19 10:39Black Dog DroidHi Blipvert: > Artists should learn to exist within a commercial > environment and exploit
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Hi Blipvert: > Artists should learn to exist within a commercial > environment and exploit the benefits. well, that's a very dangerous game. you could easily lose your soul in such a situation. Obviously artists need some support to bring their material to a wider audience than they themselves can manage, but that usually involves making some sort of compromise somewhere along the line. > just stating my opinion) 'scool. -- + . /\___/\ . * | < The Black Dog > | + * . . * . . * (. .) + | | . * . * + ___ooO__\-/__Ooo___ | | + + + + . /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Dogma >> | http://www.feedback.com/tbd/ * 3-5-3 * (Dis)information > | tbd@feedback.com
1997-03-18 18:28Gonzi (Fresh)> Advertisments are more honost than film, television or music. They are a > refined art b
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quoted 3 lines Advertisments are more honost than film, television or music. They are a> Advertisments are more honost than film, television or music. They are a > refined art brut movement that is far more significant and complex in > social impact than film is today...
Hmmm....you think a Cheerio's commercial is more significant and complex in social impact than Schindler's List? JFK? Natural Born Killers? I think the problem is you're seeing the wrong films. gonzi.