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1994-12-08 06:26Teep le art mob
└─ 1994-12-08 16:27David K. Collins video dj-guys
├─ 1994-12-08 16:47Re: video dj-guys
├─ 1994-12-08 16:58videos [a bit long]
│ ├─ 1994-12-01 17:25James Skilton Re: videos [also a bit long]
│ └─ 1994-12-08 21:32Robert Smith Re: videos [a bit long]
│ └─ 1994-12-09 14:50Andrew Bennett Re: videos [a bit long]
└─ 1994-12-09 15:38Carl Virtanen Re: video dj-guys
└─ 1994-12-09 17:42Greg Earle Video synthesizers (Was: Re: video dj-guys)
1994-12-09 15:20Re: videos [a bit long]
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1994-12-08 06:26Teepbreaking boundaries messing up heads.... "meat" december 8th 7:30pm at Massachusetts Colle
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breaking boundaries messing up heads.... "meat" december 8th 7:30pm at Massachusetts College of Art (north hall). Performances in film, video, audio, and movement by students in S.I.M. Produced by the Studio for Interrelated Media, and Eventworks. Admission is free, live entertainment* to follow with refreshments. (*dunno who this will be. -tp) ...and Friday december 9th, 'meat leftovers', same time, same place, same super bad set up (lets keep all this gear up one more day! yo!:) come celebrate some seriously fine wall moving video maneuvers, on idm. video mixing: jason arnone and guests audio mixing: me Admission is free! """" any more '?' contact.... <*><*> MCA95ISA02@mecn.mass.edu (jason arnone) '' aran@mit.edu (t double ep) [] -oh my! these kids go 100% check it!
1994-12-08 16:27David K. CollinsOn Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Teep wrote: > breaking boundaries messing up heads.... > > video mixin
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On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Teep wrote:
quoted 5 lines breaking boundaries messing up heads....> breaking boundaries messing up heads.... > > video mixing: jason arnone and guests > audio mixing: me >
This question KINDA relates to idMusic, since these two sometimes go hand-in-hand, so: Has anyone seen any really GOOD live video mixing? I mean, I've seen it done with fades and blends, dolphins mixing with astronauts, y'know, like the Orb video, but once you've seen the same imagery a dozen times with the same editing and colour effects, it just doesn't seem all that intriguing (is that spelled correctly?) any longer. And I mean people who don't have an almost unlimited budget like U2. And who do this type of stuff acompanied with a live DJ c-ya chris clarke
1994-12-08 16:47fms@MIT.EDU.Has anyone seen any really GOOD live video mixing? I mean, I've seen .it done with fades
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.Has anyone seen any really GOOD live video mixing? I mean, I've seen .it done with fades and blends, dolphins mixing with astronauts, y'know, .like the Orb video, but once you've seen the same imagery a dozen times .with the same editing and colour effects, it just doesn't seem all that .intriguing (is that spelled correctly?) any longer. What I would like to see is someone who does live mixing of computer graphics. I think that you could do a lot in real time if you rendered parts of the performance beforehand and primarily relied on the computer to do placement and image selection in real time. You could key various events off MIDI leads taken off the live performers equipment or off the actual sound of their performance (some fractal programs and plasma globes do this). Read my next post for an unrelated topic that I almost added to the end of this post... [fletcher]
1994-12-08 16:58fms@MIT.EDUThe problem I see with most music video. I'm talking pre-produced stuff here is that they
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The problem I see with most music video. I'm talking pre-produced stuff here is that they place far too much reliance on fast editing techniques, which in my opinion get old quickly. Mtv is boring to watch because all the video rely on the same editing techniques and the same cheap imagery. (and the music is in general nothing to scream about... :) Think of the things you like about idm music. I like the way songs have processes that unravel and evolve over time. The way some songs seem to be more about the interaction of the different melodic lines than about the melodies themselves. In any case, it seems to me that idm videos should have some of these characteristics. They shouldn't have fast editing, but rather have scenes that evolve over time. They should have different elements that interact and create new and exciting juxtapositions. The orbital videos (which I've missed) sounded interesting. They took place in a shop meet and a laundromat I believe and mostly consisted of orbital or some other people just hanging out and doing their laundry or shopping or whatever. Do people have reactions about how these videos worked with the music. The orb video is stunning. They allow many of the images to unfold for a long period of time. I notice something new every time I watch this video. There are also certain unifying factors, like the clouds that always seem to be floating across the screen, that give the whole video an interesting feel. Video creators shouldn't copy the orb video but they should watch it and see how it succeeds where fast editing just doesn't. Motion is pretty good, not too much fast editing, but where the orb video fades from image to image such that you're not sure where things begin and end, the motion video just cuts back and forth. Also, the computer images aren't as interesting as the natural patterns in clouds, sea life, and land that the orb video cashes in on. I think there's a lot of room for improvement in idm videos. I'm interested in knowing what other groups have videos and what they're like in terms of editing, subject matter, and relation to the songs they are attached to. [fletcher]
1994-12-01 17:25James SkiltonFletcher has crystallized many of my non-formed thought on this precisely. I have watched
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Fletcher has crystallized many of my non-formed thought on this precisely. I have watched motion, and also the fsol video many times and one thing that has really irritated me has been the edits - "why couldn't it have morphed continuosly (or at the very least faded progressively) from that last tunnel into this new bit?", "why couldn't the computerised "camera" just move round from behind the dolphins to in front?" etc. But nothing like as irritating as your average pop video where the edits now occur almost every second it seems. I really get the feeling that the editing has destroyed any art there was left in actually filming some of this stuff. Continuous unedited sequences can certainly be very satisfying in "real" movies - check out the intro sequence of "The Player". The only thing I got bored of in the orb video was the continued use of the mirror effect. One other major factor is making the video images match the music. Too often excellent visuals are just chopped and changed for no apparent reason. The Irresistible force video is a good (or bad) example of this. Some of the clips on the X-Mix/3-Lux videos are excellent in this respect. There is one for the 1st track off the first Silence CD which really does this well, and a few others. Thats on one of the 3-Lux tapes There is a continuous clip for Loopzone "Natural High" on X-Mix1. No edits whatsoever, though it repeats itself too much, and the graphics are a bit "video-gamey". It's not a very "I" DM track but the racy visuals match the wild track well, and the continuity is very satisfying. A similar issue that so many of these clips ignore is rhythmic repetition occuring in the visuals at a different tempo from the music - bad news. well, I'm a bit disjointed but I think you get my drift J ^ James Skilton aka Steady J - jamess@firefox.co.uk
1994-12-08 21:32Robert SmithBEGIN QUOTE FROM fms@MIT.EDU: : : In any case, it seems to me that idm videos should have
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BEGIN QUOTE FROM fms@MIT.EDU: : : In any case, it seems to me that idm videos should have : some of these characteristics. They shouldn't have fast : editing, but rather have scenes that evolve over time. They : should have different elements that interact and create new : and exciting juxtapositions. Has anyone in the UK seen the Plastikman video for "Plastique"? It would seem to fit your criteria. : I think there's a lot of room for improvement in idm videos. : I'm interested in knowing what other groups have videos and : what they're like in terms of editing, subject matter, and : relation to the songs they are attached to. Part of the problem is the lack of money that many groups have. Video editing is expensive and computer graphics even more so. I'd venture to say few groups can afford the time & talent needed to produce a video that is of broadcast quality while fitting the scrutiny that the music gets. /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ \o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o/ / | | | \ \ R. Y. Smith, Jr.| | | Digital Domain / / tel: 310/314.2920| | | 300 Rose Ave \ \ fax: 310/314.2866| | | Venice, CA 90291 / / fixer@d2.com | | | 310/314.2800 \ \ | | | / /o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o\ \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/
1994-12-09 14:50Andrew BennettRobert Smith said :: > > BEGIN QUOTE FROM fms@MIT.EDU: > : > : In any case, it seems to me
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Robert Smith said ::
quoted 11 lines BEGIN QUOTE FROM fms@MIT.EDU:> > BEGIN QUOTE FROM fms@MIT.EDU: > : > : In any case, it seems to me that idm videos should have > : some of these characteristics. They shouldn't have fast > : editing, but rather have scenes that evolve over time. They > : should have different elements that interact and create new > : and exciting juxtapositions. > > Has anyone in the UK seen the Plastikman video for "Plastique"? > It would seem to fit your criteria.
My postcard promoting _Musik_ I got from Novamute in the US had a blurb about "... and the video (funky font) Plastique". I'd venture that this video is in the states as well, and MTV probably has a copy too. Will they show it? Doubt it. *sigh* +8 video comp? Hmmm... *hint* :) Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com <a href="http://hyperreal.com/~abennett/">Andrew's Page</a>
1994-12-09 15:38Carl VirtanenOn Thu, 8 Dec 1994, David K. Collins wrote: > On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Teep wrote: > > > breaki
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On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, David K. Collins wrote:
quoted 8 lines On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Teep wrote:> On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Teep wrote: > > > breaking boundaries messing up heads.... > > > > video mixing: jason arnone and guests > > audio mixing: me > > >
What i'd really like to see is somebody using one of those video synths they made back in the 70's. From what i understand it was like an analog synth with lots of knobs and such but the output was a video signal. Apparently really good 'players' could make these wild organic shapes that mutated and flowed along quite nicely. Unfortunately, i think there's only a few of them in existence (they were quite big). karl
1994-12-09 17:42Greg Earle> On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, David K. Collins wrote: > >> On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Teep wrote: >> >>>
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quoted 12 lines On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, David K. Collins wrote:> On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, David K. Collins wrote: > >> On Thu, 8 Dec 1994, Teep wrote: >> >>> breaking boundaries messing up heads ... >>> >>> Video mixing: jason arnone and guests >>> Audio mixing: me > > What I'd really like to see is somebody using one of those video synths they > made back in the 70's. From what I understand it was like an analog synth > with lots of knobs and such, but the output was a video signal.
I doubt if it's the same thing, but in the late 80's I saw several performances by an L.A. outfit called Freshly Wrapped Candies that featured the video work of Radames Pera and his wife. They'd stack 4 Proton monitors 2x2 behind the stage, then stick a camera out the back of their van and feed the monitors with output from their Fairlight CVI video synthesizer in the truck. They could either do real-time manipulation of the camera signal or do complete synthetic generation in real-time. A helluva nice box they had. I wanted one :-) (BTW, for any North Americans who have this weird feeling in their brain right now nagging at them that this "Radames Pera" sounds familiar ... he was the "Young Kwai-Chang Cain" on the original "Kung Fu" TV series. He's also a really nice guy, and his wife was really nice as well. She used to front an old L.A. band called Cypher back in the early 80's ... ) - Greg
1994-12-09 15:20REVERBMAG@delphi.comYes, I doubt seriously that MTV would show a Plastikman vid --- they had to be lobbied to
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Yes, I doubt seriously that MTV would show a Plastikman vid --- they had to be lobbied to show the Aphex Twin "On" video ... ONCE. I don't see what MTV would have to lose by putting on a late night 2-4 am IDM-style video show .... they would undoubtedly get more advertising dollars during that time frame than they would just showing whatever. Having a focused bunch of fanatics like IDM'ers seems to warrant such a show ...then again, maybe they think we're too smart to be susceptible to their advertisers .... :) - reverb