On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 02:35 -0600, John/Slackonomics wrote:
quoted 11 lines On Nov 1, 2004, at 6:19 PM, Nicholas Bolibruch wrote:> On Nov 1, 2004, at 6:19 PM, Nicholas Bolibruch wrote:
>
> > I dislike Apple for compatibility reasons.
>
> Name me some of your "compatibility reasons", please. I use both
> Windows and Macintosh and frankly I haven't really come across any of
> your "compatibility reasons" yet. In fact, I find that Windows (or
> rather, Microsoft software) is generally less compatible than Macintosh
> and *Nix is. More Microsoft formats are closed-source, proprietary
> than Apple. Especially now that Apple's operating system is based on
> Unix and runs atop an open source platform.
Mostly hardware related. It's not like I can pick up every piece of
hardware out there plug it into a Mac and watch it automagically work.
Software I understand is mostly platform specific anyway ...
quoted 13 lines I dislike the theme of Apple being the god-send of a corporation with a>
> > I dislike the theme of Apple being the god-send of a corporation with a
> > mission to crush evil Microsoft. But if they were in a similiar
> > situation as Microsoft, they would be acting in a similiar manner -
> > just
> > like every company does. (if not even worse - since Steve Jobs is
> > somewhat fucked up, if the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley portrays him
> > accurately at all)
>
> The only theme of "Apple being the god-send of a corporation with a
> mission to crush evil Microsoft" is in your head. Nowhere has Apple
> stated that that's their "theme". You have a problem with a certain
> minority of vocal Apple users, not Apple itself, it sounds.
You got it. :-)
quoted 16 lines I dislike Apple because I associate their products to premium products>
> > I dislike Apple because I associate their products to premium products
> > that do not provide any additional functionality than commodity
> > products. (this can be very subjective obviously - but really I have no
> > personal use for the apparent advantages OS X provides, or any other
> > Apple product) This is especially true for the fact that I cannot
> > afford
> > to pay a premium on any of their products - I would much rather go with
> > a cheaper unpopular competitive product. Technology and consumer
> > devices are expensive and if I can "trim the fat" I will certainly do
> > so.
>
> The Apple eMac is $799, including monitor (well, it's all built-in to
> the monitor). The Apple iBook starts at only $999. What was this
> premium you were referring to again? :)
>
That's still expensive considering the performance you would get from
similiarly priced PC commodity hardware. I consider notebook computers
still a premium product in general due to the level of integration.
quoted 9 lines I dislike Apple for the fanboy/girls need to act as if Apple is the> > I dislike Apple for the fanboy/girls need to act as if Apple is the
> > only
> > innovative company in the world and that everyone is simply copying
> > them.
>
> There's fanboys for every OS. You can't blame the company and or
> larger platform just because a few users are idiots. I don't think
> that's very fair, do you?
>
Oh I think that's entirely fair - since I don't want to be even
associated to the community surrounding them. I excuse Linux fanboys
due to the fact Linux fits into some sort of anarchist/communist model
of the world that I would prefer to see exist. :-)
quoted 20 lines I dislike Apple for their support of DRM.> > I dislike Apple for their support of DRM.
>
> Every online music store to my knowledge uses DRM. Except maybe some
> marginal ones. DRM is unfortunately a necessary evil. Because, as we
> see with stuff like Kazaa and Soulseek, a lot of people will ruin a
> good thing. Apple wasn't the one that wanted to use DRM, it was the
> labels. Do you REALLY think the labels would let the music be released
> without DRM?
>
> Secondly, the DRM is mostly transparent. You can burn unlimited CD-Rs
> of the music you buy on iTunes Music Store. You can copy the tracks to
> an unlimited amount of iPods. You can also copy the music to up to
> FIVE computers you own (or your work computers), including both Mac or
> PC. You can stream the music to your friends/family on your network.
> I don't find the store that restrictive at all (although to be honest,
> I don't use it much since I still prefer to buy music on CD).
>
> If you don't like DRM, then don't use the music store. Simple as that.
> It's just one small aspect of Apple as a business.
>
See, I have no problems watching copyright get crushed due to rampant
online piracy. Apple supporting DRM is simply another act of attempting
to entrench copyright enforcement back onto the internet. Plus, I still
consider DRM'd audio an inferior product to non-DRM'd audio. Hence I
have an incentive to continue using Soulseek and to try and find a non-
DRM'd CD. (I refuse to buy copyprotected CD's since I always rip my CD's
onto my computer because I DJ at the local radio station using mp3s, and
I prefer them cateloged on my computer that way) If I remember
correctly Warp Records offers tracks for download without DRM
bullshit.
quoted 6 lines I dislike Steve Jobs for his "reality-distortion field".> > I dislike Steve Jobs for his "reality-distortion field".
>
> He's a salesman. I think his "reality-distortion field" is kinda funny
> myself. If nothing else, you gotta admit that Steve Jobs has changed
> the computer industry... numerous times.
>
Yeah - and I hate salemen.
quoted 8 lines I dislike Apple for their fanboy/girls and their need to defend Apple> > I dislike Apple for their fanboy/girls and their need to defend Apple
> > on
> > every negative comment about Apple or Steve Jobs.
>
> Just like you're making disparaging comments about Apple just now? And
> for the record, I'm a Windows user, too... so don't try lumping me in
> to your little categories.
>
Doesn't mean you can't be a fanboy. :-)
quoted 18 lines NOTE:> > NOTE:
> > I dislike Microsoft even more and for completely different reasons than
> > Apple, and I would probably encourage people who have the money to
> > purchase an Apple computer if they weren't using it to just play games.
> > I even like OS X! The above reasons are similiar reasons to why I also
> > hate the whole nVidia vs. ATi fanboyism. I personally use Linux on
> > commodity PC hardware - but I'm not going to preach to you about it -
> > especially since I know there's hundreds of other Linux geeks who have
> > lost touch with reality long ago that feel the need to preach anyway.
> > So if someone hates company XYZ without stating any reason and are not
> > on the subject of attacking company XYZ, please just accept it and move
> > on with your lives.
>
> Well said. I enjoyed your post, btw. I mean no disrespect or
> animosity in my reply. I just though I'd clarify a different point of
> view. I respect your opinion on the matter and you're certainly
> entitled to everything you said.
>
Thank you. This was actually years of anti-Appleness in me that has
been building up due to reading too much Slashdot.org
I really only started to hate Steve Jobs after seeing Pirates of Silicon
Valley. :-)
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