i wouldn't hold aphex or someone to any kind of political standard, but
martin and richard made it clear many times that the black dog is a
political animal now, with the titles of their albums and tracks, their
blog and twitter posts, etc
if you have a homophobic third member, you need to be open about that
Clint Anderson
Systems Engineer
"Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com> wrote:
quoted 185 lines :-( Double mega fail! Thanks for the update, disappointing stuff there.> :-( Double mega fail! Thanks for the update, disappointing stuff there.
>
> On 18:13, Thu, 24 May 2018 Chris Bellevie, <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just listened through all of Black Daisy Wheel stream on Bandcamp and
>> really like it quite a bit. It's really hard to separate the music from
>> comments like that :(
>>
>> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well as long as I stirred the shit I might as well follow through with
>>> the shit show.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From one user:
>>> im getting oddness too, think someone may have deleted something?? but
>>> just to stop conspiricy stories, i happen to still have it in another tab.
>>>
>>> it was me, it was real,
>>>
>>> I cant tell you if its still there, because he blocked me,
>>> but go back to the 17 or 18/12/2017 and see if its still there.
>>> his exact comment was along the line of "Gay men are cancer for kids"
>>> i think, if i recall, it was all based on a case of an adopted child
>>> being killed by the adopted parent ?
>>>
>>> which descended into a new world order, trump love-in with a huge "all
>>> gay men are paedophiles and murder kids" twist.
>>>
>>> As a gay guy, i was quite open in arguing with him, he lost it, posted a
>>> load of stuff on my personal page (we were FB friends), then deleted it all
>>> and blocked me.
>>>
>>> i shoudl add, i wasnt intending to shit stir either, its water under the
>>> bridge, it was a comment on a FB friends post, which happened to be in this
>>> group, about the new BlackDog album, which i made the comment on, in
>>> passing.
>>>
>>> its not like ive got some axe to grind as such
>>>
>>> But, re:above, yes i can seperate artist from art,but when said artist
>>> has attacked you personally online, and it becomes personal, that does tend
>>> to colour your view. its not an abstract concept.
>>>
>>> I -am - a huge fan of the early black dog stuff, I bought it all , BYTES
>>> was my go to album for a good while, i loved that stuff, I still do,
>>> nothings changed there
>>> ---
>>> he deleted the lot.
>>> it certainly isn't me that's posting it to the IDM list, but at the same
>>> time, i'm not going to deny it happend, because it did
>>>
>>> i dont have grabs etc because he deleted the personal stuff he posted on
>>> my page (i woke up to a wodge of notifications of page posts) and blocked
>>> me.
>>>
>>> I do have the message i sent, to someone who knows him, who i dont want
>>> to involve in this, asking if they wanted to check on Ken, make sure he was
>>> ok, was this out of character etc,
>>> but i'm not about to share that and drag someone into year and a bit old
>>> drama!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Clint Anderson
>>> Systems Engineer
>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> anyways unless someone hears more about this ,please assume it's
>>>> totally bullshit and false and my apologies for bringing it up in the first
>>>> place
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently it was on his Facebook profile, if anyone has him on their
>>>>> friends list then maybe it's still there?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22 May 2018 18:08, "Chris Bellevie" <c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That would freak me out too, just would never, ever expect that,
>>>>>> although I guess that it's not anything I have ever actually seen him
>>>>>> comment on at all in anyway. But BD is something personally really invested
>>>>>> in (I actually still had and just handed down to my son the BD live
>>>>>> cassette Ken sent me years ago that I dubbed for free for anyone on the
>>>>>> list)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again I'm kicking myself for not screenshotting it, someone had
>>>>>>> posted a message about getting the two new black dog albums today in
>>>>>>> World's Greatest Electronic Music Albums group iirc
>>>>>>> and on it a guy was saying "oh gee, i don't know, ken downie
>>>>>>> recently went off on a huge rant on facebook about homosexual men being
>>>>>>> pedophiles and a bunch of his pals jumped on the band wagon"
>>>>>>> now of course that FB post is deleted, there's nothing on the Black
>>>>>>> Dog group, and i'm not a facebook friend with Ken Downie
>>>>>>> i just sort of freaked out when i saw that because maybe i'm a
>>>>>>> little too personally invested in the black dog and it would really break
>>>>>>> my heart so, i just wanted to hear right away that it's all bullshit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Chris Bellevie <
>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where did you hear this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And to unintentionally sidetrack this, I'm curious, have the band
>>>>>>>> ever commented on the level of input each has member has? Do they all work
>>>>>>>> jointly, or is it more in the vein of BD of days gone by where individual's
>>>>>>>> tracks were included?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> if someone is trying to spread untrue rumors about ken to tank
>>>>>>>>> their album sales or something that's just messed up
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i dunno i can't believe it
>>>>>>>>>> would be totally counter to everything he's said in the past
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Chris Bellevie <
>>>>>>>>>> c.bellevie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Say it ain't so!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Ed Tyler <hekula@googlemail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, but if true this will literally break my heart :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17:31, Tue, 22 May 2018 Clint Anderson, <clinta@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i apparently missed this but there's a rumour going about that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mr ken downie of the black dog fame recently went on a homophobic rant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> equating homosexuals to pedophiles, anyone have any more information on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if true i feel like this needs to get discussed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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