On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:43 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 2 lines Yeah, they’re both victims of sexual assault... so no safe privilege here.> Yeah, they’re both victims of sexual assault... so no safe privilege here.
>
hi. instead of dismissing what nat is saying. we could take a step
outside of this thread and think about it for a moment.
on one hand (with hanlon's razor in hand) we can't directly attribute
that beatwife is spreading hate-speech.
on the other hand, we can't either give the benefit of the doubt to
naming things like this (not just beatwife, but goat whore, stage 4
cancer, prostitute disfigurement also. to name a few).
nat: i'd like to point out that "real men do x" is a bit silly,
because you're forcing men to act in a certain way (ie: real men don't
cry.) to avoid seeing them as less-than-a-man (i'll leave the blank
space to be filled in). and i'll just stop typing here to avoid being
seen as a sjw.
either way, i'm really happy that this kind of discussion are taking
place (it means that something a revision because it got out-dated).
also, no godwin's law so far !
quoted 84 lines On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 6:27 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 6:27 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And they are correct in that regards!!! You are right. But, I do think
>> women need protecting because currently in our world they are not protected
>> and they are being disproportionately hurt.
>>
>>
>> Something to consider: sometimes it is from (no assumptions of your
>> family) a place of safe privilege where we can make such statements.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 8:17 PM
>>
>> To: nat hawks
>> Cc: idm@hyperreal.org; psycosyin
>> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
>> I’m actually sitting here with my mom and sister (who are both feminists)
>> having a cup of coffee talking about fisting. They are not offended. They
>> actually think this whole thread is hilarious. Idealogues are hilarious!
>> They think that your heart is in the right place, but they also think that
>> men who view women as monolithic creatures who need protecting are sorely
>> mislead.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 6:08 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 22tape, imagine what a female would feel reading your last post.
>>
>>
>> A female who is trying to learn more about a male-dominated genre of music
>> she loves? Making idm herself.
>>
>> She would be rightfully disgusted. "fist" (while an accepted consensual
>> act) connotes violence without context.
>>
>> sexual violence.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: 22tape <22tape@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 8:04 PM
>> To: nat hawks
>> Cc: idm@hyperreal.org; psycosyin
>> Subject: Re: beatwife podcast
>>
>> What if it’s a female fisting another female?
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:52 PM nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 1. Beatwife=beat wife. Period.
>> 2. Skinny Puppy isn't a great example, but I hear you. Someone mentioned
>> Goat Whore. Personally, I think that is a vile band name that perpetuates
>> the abuse of women.
>> 3. Fisted Sister=perpetuates abuse against women.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 25, 2018, at 6:41 PM, psycosyin <psycosyin@mi.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > He isn't saying anything literally about beating one's wife, it's just a
>> > word with no context attached, as far as I know. There is a band named
>> > Skinny Puppy, they aren't saying "you should starve your baby dog".
>> >
>> > I guess my dream of starting a hair metal cover band named Fisted Sister
>> > wouldn't go over well around here.
>> >
>> >
>> > <RAW>
>>
>> --
>> 22tape/jared dunne
>> listen
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>> 22tape/jared dunne
>> listen
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