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Anig Browl
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Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:37:06 +0100
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Re: [idm] hip-hop stereotyping
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From: Ron Jeremy <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>
quoted 3 lines I don't give a shit about listening> I don't give a shit about listening > to some guy rapping about hos or being player. That stupid shit is for > preadolescent kids and dumb asses to think is cool.
This is a criticism I hear levelled at rap all the time by white people (I'm white, lest anyone think I'm race-baiting). Some of it is definitely sexist drivel, sure. But a lot of it is not meant to be taken seriously - dust off your sense of irony and sarcasm, folks! What really irritates me is to hear white people (in general, not in this list) dissing rap for being juvenile, and five minutes later saying 'that X is a dog, I wanna get some of what Y has in her panties, she's one hot slut!'. Let's have a little context here, yes? Rap is street music, first and foremost - you get together with some friends and a boombox (or mouth your beats) and boom, you have a jam session. Now what do guys do while they're hanging out? They watch the ladies go by and kill time talking about what they'd like to get up to with them (or not). This is not a black thing, go hang in a white sports bar or eavesdrop on a karaoke session, and it's the same thing - guys getting together spend about 50% of their time dreaming/bragging about getting laid because it's a topic everyone can participate in, doesn't require much intellectual effort, compensates for insecurities, and passes the time. Putting on my psychological hat, it's one of those topics that offers the opportunity to bond and share stress without having to engage in much personal intimacy. You can just go with the flow and feel like one of the guys. Or girls, of course women do this too. Now, given that lots of people spend lots of time thinking about getting laid, and that it's such a handy conversation piece, is it any wonder that some rap showcases or satirises these conversations? Dig around a bit more, and hear some of the many rap/r&b records about sex, the guy going on about what a hot lover he is and the girl saying how he talks the talk but don't walk the walk, or she doesn't care about his caddy, 'cause he ain't revving her engine, or he's saying that he needs to give his dick and his ears a rest while she argues that she's the queen and should always get what she wants. A lot of this stuff is funny as fuck, and more importantly *relevant* to what happens in people's lives. So rap is often crude and rude - guess what, so is sex, so are guys, so are girls. One of my radio faves used to be some tune called 'Doin' it'...on the 12 inch, it ends with the woman having this totally OTT orgasm while the guy finally loses and cracks up laughing at how they're 'gettin paid to record this shit'. Now, contrast this with the 'whiter' styles of rock and pop (yeah, it's a meaningless generalisation, so what). How much of this consists of 'Baby I value you so much emotionally (can we go to bed now?)' or 'I'm never going to cheat on you (again)', or 'I need your love so bad (or I'll kill myself and everyone will blame you)'? I used to mainly listen to 'alternative rock' until about 1995 when electronics took hold of me. I was getting totally disenchanted with the music I'd been listening to because much of it struck me as emotional double-dealing, manipulative, bullshit. I'm not saying that rap lyrics are more 'real' than rock or pop, or that white people's music is neurotic or anything like that. My point is that you can pick on *any* genre, and find plenty of stuff to show that it is the province of emotional retards and losers, and that there is a deliberate exploitation of this by cynical producers. Every genre produces a large amount of awful processed-cheese filler. Most of us are into IDM because newer/more obscure genres aren't as much of a gravy train for copycat producers and wannabes as the popular ones. Equally, every genre produces its share of genius tracks. I bet every one of you has some little pop pearl in your musical treasure chest that you are too cool to admit to liking in public. And if it lights up your emotional world, that's great - because musical (or any other) taste is not a fucking competition. Being hip/down/cool/there does not mean that the music you like is better - it means that you like it more. You will perceive other people as hip to the extent that you anticipate being able to have a good conversation about music/movies/books with them. The real dumb asses are the ones who can't see why someone else would enjoy somthing that they themselves hate. This needn't even apply to music. I used to work with someone who always showed up looking like they fell out of a fashion magazine and who thought Celine Dion was where it's at. We used to have arguments about about access to the store stereo, while our sales lady at the front thought we were crazy and tuned into sports all day. Oh yes, I definitely had the coolest record collection. You could chill your beer in my taste locker. But then the accountant always looked like a million dollars and didn't ever worry about paying her bills on time. The sales lady had her fun by winning practically every sports bet she made with my boss, chuckling that money won is twice as sweet as money earned. Who's 'right'? Nobody. Everyone wants different shit out of life, some people want thrills, some want comfort, some want company. Taste is just a signpost towards finding other people we are comfortable with. And of course, who will go to bed with us :-) My last 2 cents on this topic. 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