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From:
Clint Anderson
To:
Chris Taylor
Cc:
Charles Terhune , Sham Beam , Bruno Gola , IDM
Date:
Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:04:54 -0500
Subject:
Re: elseq
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also this lol https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2016/jun/08/stylewatch-pantone-448c-ugliest-colour-world-opaque-couche-australian-smokers-fashion https://www.amazon.com/Tri-Repetae-Autechre/dp/B000003RHB Clint Anderson Systems Engineer "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 207 lines Gotcha. And yeah that's right on about autonomous music.> Gotcha. And yeah that's right on about autonomous music. > > What's interesting is how listeners perceive "generative" music as being > worthless/effortless (something fairly popular to say about Confeld/Draft > era Ae) due to the labor being hard to perceive in the music itself. > > Same thing re: live performance, a live electronic music act is best when > they "do" the most stuff. > > It's a very 1:1 ratio between labor and value. > > *Expand on this idea until you've reached an undergraduate thesis* > > > On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com> wrote: > >> Yeah, that's more like it. It's not truly autonomous. >> >> I'll have to re-read that interview. >> >> And I was kidding when I said it was BS. And I kind of agree with Ae when >> the talk about the autonomous aspect. The machines will never truly create >> their own music until they do it from beginning to end free from human >> influence or even human music theory. >> >> >> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> ah I see what you mean now >> >> - they don't think that period of their music was bullshit (how I read >> it), they just think push against the idea that "generative music" is >> autonomous because it still relies on parameters designed by humans >> >> they might've talked about this in the Resident Advisor interview, at >> work so I can't look it up to confirm >> >> https://www.residentadvisor.net/features/2756 >> >> >> what do you mean when you say you think "generative music is BS"? >> >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Aaaaannd a little more here. >>> >>> http://www.autechre.info/press/grooves-10.html >>> >>> Still not finding the exact article I was thinking of. Maybe it's me >>> who thinks generative music is BS? :) >>> >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> There's some mention of generative music here: >>> >>> http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview16.htm >>> >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:40 PM, Charles Terhune <crtdot@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>> In an article in The Wire around the release of Confield maybe? I don't >>> remember the exact date. And I may be adding word to theirs BUT the gist of >>> what Sean (I believe it was he) said was that the entire idea of generative >>> music was somewhat BS because it always had a human being at its source >>> setting the parameters and boundaries. Their feeling was/is that there >>> could never be a truly generative music until it was entirely AI created >>> from start to finish. >>> >>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> "which even they said was bullshit mind you" >>> >>> Where did they say this about their generative work? >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> > yes! age of adz has some awesome stuff. >>>> >>>> I really didn't like it at first but it's slowly been winning me over. >>>> :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/10/2016 3:36 PM, Bruno Gola wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:32 AM, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:sham.beam@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> that totally resonates. I was listening to The Age of Adz from >>>>> Sufjan Stevens yesterday in the car and there were a few "fucking >>>>> hell, how >>>>> did he do that?" moments. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yes! age of adz has some awesome stuff. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/10/2016 4:30 AM, Clint Anderson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview10.htm >>>>> <http://autechre.net.ua/en/interviews/interview10.htm> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "It's about sleight of hand, where you're revealing things and >>>>> then >>>>> pulling them back. It's that sort of dynamic. But I think >>>>> that's Hip >>>>> Hop: the whole attitude of wanting to do people's heads in a >>>>> little bit >>>>> but also give them something that they'll really appreciate >>>>> comes from >>>>> that - Mantronix to early Bomb Squad --- where there were >>>>> little >>>>> tricks >>>>> in there, and you knew the producer had stuck them in there >>>>> because he >>>>> knew it would do people's heads in. And it'd be like: fucking >>>>> hell, how >>>>> did he do that? Or, that's a totally mad thing to do with your >>>>> track. >>>>> But it didn't suffer because it wasn't. . ." Rob: "Wasn't a >>>>> showcase for >>>>> those ideas." Sean: "It was part of the flow and it worked. >>>>> That's it >>>>> really. That's how we've started describing it now." >>>>> >>>>> "I think a lot of people, when they're constructing complex >>>>> music, have >>>>> this idea that for something maddeningly complex to change into >>>>> something else that's maddeningly complex you've got to do it >>>>> suddenly," >>>>> says Sean. "But there are millions of ways you can do it, >>>>> because you >>>>> can have your entire track changing piece by piece as it >>>>> rotates, and >>>>> that's what we're into We like things like a puzzle where it's >>>>> revealing >>>>> itself and changing. And you can almost follow it, because it >>>>> works the >>>>> same pace as your brain works. The trick is not to get it to >>>>> work faster >>>>> or slower, but to get it in tune with yourself. And obviously >>>>> there are >>>>> some people who work faster than that, and they'll hear it and >>>>> think >>>>> this is boring, and there are people who work slower than >>>>> that, and >>>>> they'll think this is too much. For us it's the right pace." >>>>> >>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>> "Freedom -- paint me a picture!" -- Burton Cummings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Clint Anderson >>>>> <clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> <mailto:clinta@gmail.com <mailto:clinta@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> yeah its interesting i would almost say its a return to >>>>> their >>>>> classic style of the 'eternally unfolding secret tricks' >>>>> tracks they >>>>> used to do where halfway through you finally sort of more >>>>> or >>>>> less >>>>> figured out what they were doing to get whatever >>>>> effect/sound, and >>>>> then the second half was just that much more badass >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sham Beam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bruno Gola <brunogola@gmail.com <mailto:brunogola@gmail.com>> >>>>> http://bgo.la/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sham Beam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>