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From:
Adam Piontek
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Date:
Tue, 15 May 2001 09:47:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:
RE: [idm] re: art & expression
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--- Myroslaw Bytz <vzaem@humbledesign.com> wrote:
quoted 1 line no. see that's exactly the problem.> no. see that's exactly the problem.
don't say "no." to people's opinions - that just reflects arrogance, and it's just plain rediculous.
quoted 9 lines who's to say that signed artists are> who's to say that signed artists are > better in expressing themselves than "the rest of > us?" just because a > garbageman gets paid for it and we don't get paid > for expressing our > sanitary skills, does that automatically mean he is > better than the rest of > us are, or just that he has chosen that job? the > same goes for artists.
I'm guessing a garbageman (or woman) has certain training and skills that you and I do not have. After a while, a garbageman has experience as well. I doubt that there are amateur garbagemen trying to get into the world of garbage collecting, but if it really was such a popular market, I'm sure they would have to "audition" their skills and experience. This is what demo tapes/cdrs are for. You keep practicing and working at what you're trying to do, and eventually a label might think you're good and pick you up. Certainly this doesn't mean that no one without a label is any good, just like an actor without a theatre company isn't necessarily bad. That's just how it works. Why? Well, an actor auditions to be in shows rather than just acting for us on the street because the average public doesn't really have the time, energy, or education to recognize greatness in every "free artist" in the world. We let people who know better than us pick the actors and directors and stagehands to put on the show for us. Same goes for music. Labels do a lot of work that I would rather not do. I don't go sifting through MP3.com because I have neither the time nor energy for millions of people who I'm probably not going to be interested in. So, I trust a few labels to do the work for me. I don't put my trust in them 100%, of course, and I try to keep a sense of adventure, but just like any garbageman, some are more skilled, experienced, and worthy of a paycheck than others. Every once in a while, I discover someone new to me thanks to forums like this list or my group of friends. They are also like a "label," except that they are just filtering to me through their own experiences. Regardless, your assumption that everyone is equally capable of expressing themselves (or, I would specify, being interestingly creative) is false. Some are just more creative than others. Some are also taller than others, blacker than others, or more capable of controlling their eye muscles than others. To deny differences in creative ability among the human population is like trying to deny biology. Anyways, art is the lowest form of expression, and human expression is overrated.
quoted 4 lines honestly think i could easily make much of the> honestly think i could easily make much of the > postmodern "yellow square on > canvas" fad paintings that are up now in art > museums, but why would i waste
It doesn't sound like you've been to many art museums. Rather, it sounds like you've absorbed the uninformed popular bias against art, and are now, ironically, applying that view to your own creative energies. For the record, I don't go to many art museums either, but I've seen a lot of interesting things in them, quite other than what you describe. Also for the record, some of the music on this list seems very "yellow square on canvas"-ish to me. A certain recent album whose one-word name starts with "C" and ends with "D" comes to mind...
quoted 9 lines like "art." compromise is what it's about. you> like "art." compromise is what it's about. you > either do or you don't. if > you're smart in this day and age, compromise can > mean lots of money and > fame, but once you do that, give up hope for > expressing yourself cleanly and > simply from that point on. also give up the > illusion that you are an > artist.
Compromise does not mean lots of money and fame. Not that many artists have lots of money and fame, despite what you would call compromise. And despite what you would call compromise, not that many artists, I believe, really give up their ability to express themselves cleanly and simply. Sure, it's a danger, but so is drifting into obscurity and never having anyone care about you or what you do. Actually, most of us settle for the latter anyway, I suppose. It's the curse of consciousness... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org