actually, didnt mozart compose on the harpsicord?
i dont think the piano was invented yet.
quoted 174 lines From: "b. fagan" <benfagan@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
>From: "b. fagan" <benfagan@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
>To: Josh Bown <josh@undertone.com>
>CC: swamay <swamay@home.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: [idm] Re: What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:58:55 -0500 (CDT)
>
>mozart did not play all the instruments he wrote music for, or at least i
>dont think so. he composed, using a piano, he then transcribed his piano
>compositions onto paper, and expanded it to other instruments. mozart was
>a genius, he could sequence in his head. if we could all do that
>sequencing programs would be pointless. alas, we cannot, so they are not.
>i dont think its the sounds that come out of computers that define the
>electronic music genre (whatever that is), but what the computers can do
>with sounds, e.g. new matmos. imho computers and other electronic such
>electronic devices are composition tools, and electronic musicians are
>first and foremost composers. only a select few can both play the
>instruments and compose them, e.g. squarepusher. now im rambling, but
>this is a debate that tends to get people all in a hissy about whats
>"real" and whats not, which all comes down to personal preference, which
>is what this list is all about, so i guess what im saying is that THANK
>YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THIS AND NOT HOW OLD YOU ARE!
>
>On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Josh Bown wrote:
>
> > ok.... hmmmm.... defensive maybe???
> >
> > let me try to say this nicely: synths are great, so are effects, but
> > they also have a kind of gimmiky quality to them.
> >
> > Yes, there will be more and more experimentation into new forms of music
> > using synths....
> >
> > There will also be more and more experimentation using traditional
> > instruments...
> >
> > If you were able to go 1000 years into the future, I would be willing to
> > be that people will still be playing traditional instruments....
> >
> > also, I can make sounds come out of an acoustic guitar that I can't get
> > out of any synth....
> >
> > People, especially the listening audience, will always want to hear
> > finger squeaks, pick scratches, breath noizes, and other random and
> > chaotic sounds that add to the reality and emotionality of music made
> > with real/traditional instruments....
> >
> > the novelty of psychedelic sci-fi noises coming out of computers is
> > wearing off, and music that has that as it's sole or primary voice will
> > remain obscure and as a gimmick.
> >
> > Music that is based on skilled performance of real instruments,
> > augmented by various synthetic spice will be what the future of music
> > has to offer...
> >
> > Musical skill will always be the product of practice and dedication.
> > Sound Design is not music... it's hollywod special effects....
> >
> > music is composition and performance... and if you have a good
> > composition, it will sound good when performed by a good performer no
> > matter what instrument they use.
> >
> > If it is sequenced and relies on quantization, then it will sound boring
> > to most people and would make a terrible live show...
> >
> > Again... this is all my opinion.....
> >
> > swamay wrote:
> > >
> > > If i hear another guitar, bass, drum set i am going to puke... this
>music
> > > has been played to death!! it has ALL been done, every combination of
>every
> > > string imaginable has been done. A real instrument! Synths are real
> > > instruments. computers are real instruments. so is a water bottle.
> > > insights from nature of music, no thanks, ill take my insight from
> > > technology and the inspiration of what wonderful sounds we have all
>NOT
> > > heard yet. which I guarantee you is not going to come from a "real"
> > > instrument such as a guitar, bass, drums, horn or whatever "acoustic"
>or non
> > > electronic instrument.
> > >
> > > I can see oscillator or bits. actually i create them. so can you. :)
> > > Instead of the string vibrating, i see things on an oscillator. much
>more
> > > appealing to a person into IDM music.
> > >
> > > ~swamay~
> > > www.swamay.com
> > > www.mp3.com/swamay
> > >
> > > <<Also, learn to play a real instrument!!! aside from the miraculous
> > > insights you will gain into the nature of music, fans like to see
>where
> > > the sound is coming from, and you can't see oscillators or bits... you
> > > can see strings vibrating, some one blowing into a flute... fingers
> > > moving, etc>>
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Josh Bown" <josh@undertone.com>
> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:42 PM
> > > Subject: [idm] Re: What do you expect from IDM musicians on stage?
> > >
> > > > my $0.02
> > > >
> > > > First off, I am a guitarist, singer songwriter who has performed in
> > > > numerous bands etc... and also have a love of IDMish electronic
> > > > music....
> > > >
> > > > Alomst every single IDM show I have seen has been a waste of my time
>and
> > > > has bored my ass off, so much so that I am intentionally missing the
> > > > autechre show here in seattle coming up, because really, I am sure
>their
> > > > CDs would sound better anyway....
> > > >
> > > > One exception being when I saw Orbital... but then again I was on
>heavy
> > > > doses of happy pills....
> > > >
> > > > What I would like to see is, and I know the technology exists to do
>this
> > > > because I use it in the studio (Logic Audio) is much more
>improvisation,
> > > > interactivity etc... The people want to see you play your
>instrument. If
> > > > your instrument is a mouse then stay in the studio and forget about
> > > > touring... At the very least, just have the drum parts be
>sequenced
> > > > and actually play the other parts live on a keyboard...
> > > >
> > > > If you were to take it to the limit, you could have it so that every
> > > > minute part of your song could be triggered/untriggered/layered in
>what
> > > > ever order you wanted so that you could extend it, break it down in
>new
> > > > ways and/or improvise over a little jam section depending on the
>croud
> > > > mood.....
> > > >
> > > > Also, learn to play a real instrument!!! aside from the miraculous
> > > > insights you will gain into the nature of music, fans like to see
>where
> > > > the sound is coming from, and you can't see oscillators or bits...
>you
> > > > can see strings vibrating, some one blowing into a flute... fingers
> > > > moving, etc....
> > > >
> > > > Basically, if you have any real musical skill your live shows will
>be
> > > > impressive... twiddling knobs is not musical skill per say...
> > > > composition is musical skill, twiddling knobs is sound design, but
> > > > performance is a completely other matter altogether....
> > > >
> > > > peace
> > > >
> > > >
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