Whoa, whoa, break_faster, are you talking to me?!?! You certainly have the
wrong man. Please read more carefully before you get really nasty like
that.
peace
petey
quoted 157 lines From: "break faster" <break_faster@hotmail.com>
>From: "break faster" <break_faster@hotmail.com>
>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [idm] the haters...never heard that arguement before...
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 10:00:48 -0000
>
>so, electronic music isnt real music?
>
>definition of a musical instrument - object that creates specific sound
>when
>manipulated.
>
>i played guitar in my first band, drums in my second, and now i program in
>my third. am i now less of a musician?
>
>what makes IDM any better or worse than metal, soul, jazz or classical?
>nothing.
>
>it is just one form of music in a wonderful varied world of different
>styles
>and sounds.
>
>however, ignorant and arrogant fucks like you, who basically dont
>understand
>what IDM, or indeed, electronic music is really about, feel the need to
>rant
>the age old "your just using a smapler, anyone can do it"
>well, you dumb fuck, i play several instuments, and listen and compose
>several styles of music. and decent IDM is the most complex and difficult.
>
>but nevermind. why should i get angry with worthless, obviously stupid
>uncultured idiots such as yourselves. i love IDM, as well as many other
>styles, and i appreciate all that it has to offer. and i dont feel the need
>to rant on about how rock music is all the same 4/4
>guitar/bass/drum/vocals,
>or folk music remaining unchanged for so many years, or hip-hop using
>sampled music instead of new, etc. etc.
>
>grow up.
>
>
>>From: "peter chavez" <dspeter5000@hotmail.com>
>>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>>Subject: [idm] the haters
>>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:56:25 -0000
>>
>>You are a blithering idiot and a great buffoon.
>>
>>Many works of genius were realized and finalized in bedrooms the world
>>over.
>> When was the last time you listened to Selected Ambient Works 1? Surely
>>you have the deductive powers to realized that it's mixed like dog shit,
>>cassette tape and what not, but so many people love it for it's purely
>>musical beauty. Maybe you agree with me there. I mean, I know you have
>>an
>>SSL GL series and a rack full of Neves in a 10,000 square foot studio on
>>the
>>Riviera, but, some of us are still working on our music degrees and most
>>of
>>us just like to listen to and talk shit about the music we love.
>>
>>OH-and as far as people being critical of a "sample" or a "mix" goes,
>>well,
>>Lester Bangs, this IS the idm list. Most idm involves use of electronics.
>>If you want to be philosophical about a voice or instrumental talent, you
>>are not in the right ballgame, not the right ballpark, not even the right
>>sport. Probably not the right planet, either. You should read your email
>>when you're sober.
>>
>>You all need to study English Literature again. Cex's irony is wasted on
>>so
>>many of you, and his bravery is mistaken for arrogance or shit-talking.
>>He's just putting his money where his mouth is, which many of you refuse
>>to
>>do.
>>
>>peace
>>
>>petey
>>
>>>From: "Martin" <apollon@freeuk.com>
>>>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>>>Subject: Re: [idm] the haters
>>>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:22:25 +0000
>>>
>>>
>>>I couldn't agree more with this msg, most people on this list have no
>>>conception of music, only sound... the inverted snobbery of raving about
>>>a
>>>particular sample or mix rather than someones voice or instrumental
>>>talent
>>>is absolutely negative, most idm artists and listeners seem to have no
>>>knowledge of anything not created using a sampler or sequencer
>>>programme...the ears of most listeners have been polluted by poor
>>>quality,
>>>bedroom mixing and mp3 conversion...many idm artists spend thousands of
>>>dollars on kit an often just regurgitate someone elses sound...quite a
>>>few
>>>10 year old kids could do a similar job
>>>
>>>Martin Lee-Stephenson
>>> > I can't believe the utter stupidity of even discussing this. THE ONLY
>>> > TIME YOU HEAR ACTUAL MUSIC IS WHEN SOMEONE PLAYS AN ACOUSTIC
>>>INSTRUMENT
>>> > WITHIN THE RANGE OF YOUR UNAUGMENTED EARS.
>>> >
>>> > Everything else is DSP fuckery. Check out a copy of Mix Magazine
>>>sometime
>>> > and read one of the blow by blow descriptions of recording and mixing
>>> > a pop hit. Artists like Cex, Kid606, Kit Clayton, etc conceptually
>>> > turn the artifice of mass culture pop on their head, by flaunting and
>>> > abusing the tools the majors use to fool you into thinking you're
>>>hearing
>>> > music. It's the musical equivelant of the Centre Pompidou, with all
>>>the
>>> > ductwork and conduit on the outside.
>>> >
>>> > Shit, most of y'all probably don't even LIKE music that can be made by
>>>a
>>> > human being without electricity. Judge music on whether it moves you
>>>or
>>>not.
>>> > Don't whine about the electrons people shove around.
>>> >
>>> > kent williams -- kent@avalon.net
>>> > http://www.cornwarning.com -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label
>>> > http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes
>>> >
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