In a message dated 12/14/00 3:32:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bgause@SECTORBASE.COM writes:
<< honestly, the last thing I wanted to do was get involved here...but just as
a matter of record, I'd say that "Flutter" by Autechre is an innovation.
How long, I wonder, until music afficienados begin to see innovation as an
intellectual movement and not a physically measureable shift in sound or
chord structure. There is surely new sound out there...there are surely new
chord structures somewhere. But this doesn't mean that innovation is only
the realm of the unheard sound. Innovation simply makrs a new way of
thinking that has impacted the music...I'd say autechre, for instance, have
been pretty innovative with packaging (TDR designs, braile on every Skam
release, etc). I'd say their minidisc release is an innovation in the way we
conceive of an album (or, rather, a 'release'). I'd say their song-naming
conventions have been an innovation, as well, and certainly influential.
What? If I translated this right "Innovation in music has nothing to do with
music." Ummmm....
RDJ's innovations have come by way of attitude. He was one of the first
really successful electronic artists to start his own label and succeed.
Rephlex has broadened the musical horizons of a lot of people...and it's
exposed the world to a lot of new music. RDJs's work with Chris Cunningham
undoubtedly had an effect on a director who's since gone on to do more
really cool stuff. RDJ's sense of humor, above all else, has changed the way
some people experience electronic music.
That is not true at all. Maybe his additude did affect his innovations, but
I sure think that he was the first to combine complex rolls and drums of
beautiful noises with beautiful and very full orchestral sounds. I could be
wrong.. but I don't think so.
Look at Global Communication's emphasis with 76:14 on unspoken
communication, even going so far as refusing to give names to their tracks.
Look at the 20 to 2000 series from last year. Look at Up, Bustle and Out.
Look at Coldcut and their heavily audio-visual direction. Look at every
concept album (or, better, concept SERIES of albums) produced in the last
ten years. Not all innovation is about the music. Some of it's about life
and the way we live it as artists and musicians and as fans of these artists
and musicians. Some of this innovation is about the way we conceive of the
world. Some of it is simply about the way we conceive of music.
Concept albums are about innovation in combining of songs (arent they?). Up
bustle and out and coldcut are not innovative at all.. and what do you meen
by audio-visual.. you can't have visual music (unless you are tripping, which
changes the way you concieve the world as well, and the way you conceive
music..)
Sure, "Flutter" is musically innovative. Sure, RDJ's "Didgeridoo" sounded
like nothing else before it. Sure, there are others...and there will be
more. But don't back yourself into a corner by declaring innovation a notion
of the past because you don't see what these artists are doing with their
art. It's not fair to these people who work hard to create something new and
beautiful. >>
I see exactly what these artists are doing. I don't think that digeridoo was
ever that innovative. That was one of rdjs most simple tracks. It was a 303
type sound in the time of 303 type sounds with cool effects on it and some
breaks. How is that innovative? Moreover, how do you think that is
innovative and not girl/boy song or one of his more elaborate composures.
Yes innovation is about what we do other than music, but musical innovation
has little to do with things outside of music (I will give you the minidisk
thing and there are other such things, but I don't know if I would think that
anyone out there sits and listens to that stuff and loves it, its just crazy
glitch). No I am not arguing your opinion, because I agree that there is
innovation in the world, but I am arguing your relation of other concepts to
the concept of innovation in music.
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