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From:
William Samuels
To:
Benjamin McDonald ,
Date:
Fri, 20 Oct 2000 13:57:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:
Re: [idm] if was not said, i will
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--- Benjamin McDonald <warpfan@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 7 lines okay,> okay, > I don't think this has been addressed/or maybe it > has: > Is it me, or is Astralwerks killing the crap out of > good artists? Last year, Paradinas released the > biggest let down album of the year, this year, the > prize goes to Photek.
I agree the Mike Paradinas was a big let down (IMHO). I was hoping the Photek would have been a little more like his other material, but I think Solaris is pretty good. Tracks like "Mine To Give" (with Robert Owens) were a turn off at first, but now I am ok with it. Even if you don't like Solaris, the Terminus ep was really good.
quoted 1 line Is it just plain coincident that Astralwerks (skint)> Is it just plain coincident that Astralwerks (skint)
quoted 1 line are the pushers of these two flops?> are the pushers of these two flops?
I thought Astralwerks only licensed these from Virgin. Isn't this right?
quoted 5 lines After 'Lunatic Harness' i was all pins and needles> After 'Lunatic Harness' i was all pins and needles > to hear the follow-up from Mu-ziq, but, god damnit, > i would rather have no more Mu-albums than hear that > piece of commercial crap(the "d&b in idm" discussion > comes in here).
Agreed
quoted 7 lines Then, after watching and waiting for, -what has it> Then, after watching and waiting for, -what has it > been, 2 years?-photek decides to release a new > album. "RAD!" people say, another twisted, sick > beat album. Not really IDM, but we expect awesome > stuff anyway because of the intelligent nature of > his style of D&B. So, was i the only one let down > when i went to the record shop to hear this new gem?
Photek made another lp right after Modus Operandi, but he scrapped it because he thought it sounded too much like his other material. Some of these tunes have already come out, I am guessing the last 2 Special Forces 12"s were off this scrapped lp. There should might be some other ones coming out in the near future. He had an LP coming out on Photek Productions called Sub Zero, but he scrapped that also. He said that Photek Productions would only put out drum n bass. There will be some other Lethal Volumes coming out. Who knows when?
quoted 10 lines the look of horror on my face when i heard (vomit-> the look of horror on my face when i heard (vomit- > wince) house style vocals cracked up the entire > store, who had gone through the same puke inducing > realization that this once viable and creative > artist had pulled a 'Royal Astronomy', with dreams > of sound clips in Saturn commercials and soundtrack > slots on NewLine horror flicks no doubt the cause > of this Oakenfold ready crapper of a album. I BET > MY LEFT BALL THAT ONE OF THESE TRACKS WILL BE ON A > GLOBAL UNDERGROUND RELEASE SOMEDAY!
Here's more bad news for you, the next single off Solaris is "Mine To Give". When I spoke with Rupert Parkes, he said that there were some remixes from Satoshi Tomii and David Morales (or maybe it was Roger Sanchez).
quoted 3 lines my conclusion is this:> my conclusion is this: > ASTRALWERKS IS THE ROOT OF ALL COMMERCIAL EVIL IN > AMERICAN ELECTRONIC MUSIC!
None of the artists you have listed are "American". As far as licensing evilness from elsewhere, that may be. Is Warp & Rephlex evil for licensing Chicago house tunes? They both have. "Mine To Give" is pretty much a tribute to classic Chicago house.
quoted 14 lines Since the commercial success of Fatboyshit, with his> Since the commercial success of Fatboyshit, with his > ever present, annoying, bullshit of bubblegum beats > and production, the company demands nothing more > than "a hot seller". "no shit", you may be saying to > yourself,"we knew about this all along. why should i > care now?" > this is why: > Warp, who i am obviously a massive fan of, recently > signed a contract to > have their releases put out in America (yeaaaaaa!!) > by caroline records > (booooooo,hisss!!). Caroline=Astralwerks. > This may be extreme, but i say we start a campaign > to get warp out of this devil deal.
I wouldn't worry about it. If it wasn't for Caroline many good releases might still be out only on import.
quoted 4 lines not saying that warp artists will lose control over> not saying that warp artists will lose control over > direction and personal style, but when Caroline cant > move platinum numbers of, lets say Jamie Lidell > _Muddlin' Gear_, what will they say to warp???
It's doubtful an album like Jamie Lidell's would ever come out domestically in the first place, if it wasn't for some sort of licensing deal. The Two Loneswordmen lp is pretty freaky also.
quoted 3 lines It's "you know, it doesn't sell because its not> It's "you know, it doesn't sell because its not > ACCESSIBLE enough" or "its TOO DARK for commercial > success".
I highly doubt they expect Warp releases to go Platinum.
quoted 5 lines The music label business is a big mofo, breach of> The music label business is a big mofo, breach of > contract sits well to U.S. courts. Caroline can > claim that Warp is not filling its side of the deal > by not providing a product that can sell. Ugly, > it will turn. So, BE WARNED (hahaha_)!!
So they can go to court and say, "hey we aren't selling shitloads cds" let's go to court. I'm sure Caroline is familiar with Warp's output, and vice versa. Making it easier for releases to find their way in the shops is good for the consumers. ===== SWOPE TRANSMISSIONS - Listen on KUCI.org every FRIDAY Evening 6-9pm (Pacific) http://home.earthlink.net/~efrans/swope-transmissions __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org