are you guys accomplishing much by nitpicking back and forth on a list about
electronic music? i guess im the pot calling the kettle black...
anyway, about drugs, tripping especially, I learned that after I used them
to open my mind that I really didnt need them. I guess that counts as
having opened up my mind, but I feel, er, I know that the true artistic
ingenuity lies in the soul. Emotions. And I feel this is what lacks in
a lot of IDM nowadays, its just, to quote a friend, digital masturbation.
you dont need drugs, or a handicap, you need something to struggle with,
that is to say an apex to strive towards. thats my POV. Drugs fuck with your
emotions, so thats how I see them coming into play.
anyway. enough about drugs already?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gause, Brian [mailto:bgause@SECTORBASE.COM]
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 1:09 PM
> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation
>
>
> All
>
> I'm plainly not advocating recreational drug use. I'm also not
> trying to say
> that being stoned or drunk makes you a better artist. What I AM trying to
> say is that the human brain is complex. Sometimes a drug or a
> drink can open
> new pathways to thought and some people enjoy this.
>
> And, yes, my analogies do work. I'm not trying to claim that being deaf is
> like being stoned except to say that on the outside (i.e. those NOT
> personally affected), these states of being are impossible to comprehend
> completely.
>
> My point is that judging artists to have 'wasted' their talent or
> 'misused'
> their gifts is a mistake. Firstly, some may have benefitted from
> their fate
> (whether chosen or not) in ways you cannot understand and, secondly,
> pretending to understand such conditions, THEN judging others on this is
> irresponsible.
>
> I'm not talking about artists being satisfied with their production or how
> artists feel about their interactions with the world, I'm talking
> about not
> judging people (artists and everyone else) by or because of their living
> conditions.
>
> Shame on you for not seeing that.
>
> ---brian
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: James R McPherson [mailto:andregurov@juno.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:18 PM
> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> Subject: [idm] art, Miles, drugs + gratuitious Hk imitation
>
>
> Need I use the example of none other an artist than John Coltrane, who
> was kicked out of Miles' classic quintet b/c of a serious heroin
> addiction. I believe the central point is that people with serious
> problems create great art in spite of addiction, not because of it. You
> mention musicians with whom YOU have no first hand experience. Has Brian
> Eno spoken with YOU about how fantastic his production work with Laraaji
> was? And how much better it was when he passed out in the engineering
> chair? Or did Hendrix tell how fantastic the music in his head was while
> in a 16 hour rush? In a 16 hour crash? I seriously doubt any artist
> will be gratified with his production, whether straight or stoned. This
> drive is what continues to make them vital. The sides of this issue can
> be debated ad nauseum by people of OUR uninformed ilk. But so
> charismatic and plainly wrong an example as Beethoven's deaf work holds
> false when measured up to Konitz's quite personal observation.
> There is a world of difference between being addled and being deaf, and
> in being epileptic and smoked out. Shame on you for not knowing and
> noting the difference. Try keeping your analogies on the same level of
> logic.
>
> Yes, some IDM records sound quite fantastic while under the influence
> (well, when I can manage to get them on the turntable!). I just hope the
> people who make these (and any others I own) don't think they can drive
> as well under the influence as they can write music to/with/under it.
>
> Back on topic: Lackluster's _Container_ is wonderful. Or, in Hk!'s
> words, "I dig it, fellas & Cats!" Hmm, we don't know what we got 'til
> it's gone ; ) Without Kelly, I feel my Nuron addiction going into
> withdrawal.
>
> J
>
> >*****************
> >This is plainly not true. Beethoven was deaf when he wrote his 9th
> >Symphony...does this mean we have to be deaf for it to sound as good?
> >Does
> >the 9th Symphony then sound "terrible" to those of us that can hear?
> >I mean no offense here, but it seems startling to me that you (and
> >millions
> >of other people) continue to argue against the use of substances with
> >ZERO
> >first-hand experience.
> >****************
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