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From:
Gonzi 'Fresh' Merchan
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Date:
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:47:25 -0700
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Re: [idm] phoenicia (And why the list is going south fast)
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quoted 3 lines I'm sorry, but for the most part, this is shit too. Your whole post came> I'm sorry, but for the most part, this is shit too. Your whole post came > down to "if the artist is on the list, don't insult them". Well, duh. > Don't call their mom names, that's fine.
Actually this is not the point at all of what I'm saying, or perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Simply labeling music 'garbage' is the sort of immature, dismissive, counterproductive comment the list doesn't need, regardless of whether or not an artist is on the list, but I feel especially if as a matter of simple courtesy. I would extend the same to phoenecia, autechre or someone who is just beginning to experiment and release/submit tracks for our approval. I find it increasingly hard pressed to sit idly by while I see the level of discussion degenerate to 'this is trash' on IDM. Many people who remember what the list was several years ago can surely relate to this sentiment.
quoted 6 lines But saying a piece of music is garbage, whether the artist is on the> But saying a piece of music is garbage, whether the artist is on the > list or not, is fully part of what this list is about. That's the risk > you take when you release something - you're exposing it to the world, > and soliciting the world's feedback. Since all this is about personal > taste anyway, why should Phoenecia care if some IDM-L luser thinks their > latest masterpiece/work/DSP-wankery/insert-your-opinion here is garbage?
William, saying that a piece of music is garbage is exactly AGAINST everything the list is about. IDM used to be about a sense of community and shared interest. The increasing lack of thought put behind some the opinions I see here serves only to alienate people and discourage them from exposing themselves and releasing something in the first place. If the list comes to that then what's the point of continuing with it at all? The current state of the list and the decreasing number of contributing artists and label representative to it is no coincidence. Whether or not Phoenecia cares (and I'm sure they probably don't), you should care. This is our list, damn you. (ok perhaps that was overly dramatic)
quoted 5 lines Now, regarding your point about *explaining why you don't like> Now, regarding your point about *explaining why you don't like > something* - that to me is what IDM is actually about, or should be. I > fully agree that people shouldn't just label something garbage - put a > few seconds of thought into your post and *tell us why you think that*. > It's like those English essay exams you hated - "Why? Explain".
Agreed. Love, Gonzi Merchan. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org