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The Following just got cancelled maybe Kevin Bacon will resurrect Footloose Clint Anderson Systems Engineer On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 222 lines I love Footloose.

> I love Footloose. > On May 8, 2015 3:10 PM, "Clint Anderson" <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i thought it was footwork but it was just a cd of snare rush's with a >> skip on it >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> did you listen to it on weed tho >>> >>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> i dont think its so much a matter of 'liking' it as its really easy to >>>> press the same button several times >>>> >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:44 PM, kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think that there's a lot of subtlety in Jlins beats and song >>>>> structures; but she does like that machine-gun repeat thing. You can make >>>>> fun of superficial traits of her music, or meet her halfway and listen for >>>>> what's interesting in it. Or not; plenty of other music for you to listen >>>>> to. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:12 PM Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> disclaimer: don't get too pissed off, i am trolling to some degree >>>>>> here :) >>>>>> >>>>>> just tried to listen to jlin's dark energy and gave up .... here are >>>>>> some tips for footwork producers: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. even your MPC has velocity control, that means that individual >>>>>> hits/notes/etc can actually be at different volumes from one another >>>>>> 2. the MPC can actually play samples at different pitches, in fact, >>>>>> you can create what are called 'melodies' consisting of two or more notes >>>>>> at different frequencies >>>>>> 3. for many decades now, devices known as 'effects' have been made >>>>>> available, many of which are built into your MPC -- for fun, trying >>>>>> applying an 'effect' to one of the sounds in your 'song' -- the results can >>>>>> be fascinating and are very popular in most every genre. >>>>>> 4. drum sounds -- did you know? you can load different drum sounds >>>>>> into your MPC. that's right, now, not every song has to use the same >>>>>> hi-hat, snare, and bassdrum, on every single one of your albums, for your >>>>>> entire career. >>>>>> 5. did you know? you can change the parameters of sounds on the MPC, >>>>>> using parameters like attack, decay, sustain and release, to alter your >>>>>> sounds >>>>>> 6. you can load more than 9 samples into your MPC. i know, it's >>>>>> confusing, because there are only 9 buttons, but, my understanding is that >>>>>> these buttons can actually be assigned to different sounds, and over the >>>>>> course of several albums, you could use different sounds on EVERY ALBUM or >>>>>> even every song >>>>>> >>>>>> i realize im not from the same background as people producing >>>>>> footwork, but i am 100% confident that a manual is provided for the MPC >>>>>> series >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:36 PM, kent williams < >>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Who are you and where are you from? If you were African-American >>>>>>> and lived in Chicago, you might not like Footwork either, but I doubt you'd >>>>>>> belittle the entire genre. You're allowed your opinion, but your reaction >>>>>>> rubbed me the wrong way; you made it sound like the people making that >>>>>>> music were getting away with something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't live in Chicago but I go their a fair amount and know the >>>>>>> music scene there fairly well; the one thing I know is that it's serious, >>>>>>> and highly competitive. No one gets away with making mediocre music; any >>>>>>> Footwork tracks you're likely to hear released on e.g. Planet Mu is not >>>>>>> going to be half-assed. You may not like it, it may not speak to your >>>>>>> condition, but to criticize it that way makes me think you're just hearing >>>>>>> it, not listening to it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And you're under no obligation to like it or listen to it. There's >>>>>>> too much music and life's too short to listen to things you don't enjoy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:41 PM Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "To say "The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to add a snare >>>>>>>> to his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental" is to dismiss a whole >>>>>>>> musical culture based on a very shallow listening experience, and no >>>>>>>> understanding of the culture in which it grew up." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Careful, silly-pants Kent, you're walking the ignorant line >>>>>>>> yourself, and sounding like an academic from the burbs who's just trying to >>>>>>>> relate. You don't know me or where I'm from. If I'm from the same musical >>>>>>>> culture and the same socio-economic background as most peeps who make >>>>>>>> Footwork, am I still ignorant and shallow? Am I allowed to have an opinion >>>>>>>> then? Good, because I am. And most Footwork sucks. And I don't have to >>>>>>>> put "IMO" because I am the one saying it, and it's obviously my opinion. I >>>>>>>> much prefer Bluegrass. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, hugs all around! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:38 AM, kent williams < >>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Every genre defines conventions. Every genre, furthermore demands >>>>>>>>> a different sort of listening if you're going to understand and enjoy it. >>>>>>>>> To say "The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to add a snare to his >>>>>>>>> half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental" is to dismiss a whole musical >>>>>>>>> culture based on a very shallow listening experience, and no understanding >>>>>>>>> of the culture in which it grew up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Juke/Footwork music is very much the product of kids with cracked >>>>>>>>> copies of Fruity Loops; they work with the tools they have. The motivation >>>>>>>>> was to make music whose purpose is to accompany footwork dancing, which is >>>>>>>>> competetive, athletic and intense. The idea is to have the freshest, >>>>>>>>> trickiest rhythm, often played back on shitty boomboxes or Frankenstein >>>>>>>>> sound systems.. Footwork, like Jit in Detroit, is both dance and stylized >>>>>>>>> warfare; it sublimates the violence and frustration of life in "Chiraq." >>>>>>>>> It is something positive in an environment where people are confronted >>>>>>>>> daily with unrelenting negative things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's a billion footwork tracks and thousands of people making >>>>>>>>> it. Inevitably most of it is not very good, but like any other genre, when >>>>>>>>> it's good it's great. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's OK not to like musical styles. I bet you're not so hot on >>>>>>>>> bluegrass music as well. But like my grandmother always told me about cream >>>>>>>>> corn, "it's better to say you don't care for it than say you hate it." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:26 PM David Bohan <madvlad00@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kent, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why does Jared have to be ignorant to not like Footwork? It seems >>>>>>>>>> like Jared just thinks this kind of music does not require much effort or >>>>>>>>>> much of it is the same. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I listened to the compilation album "Bangs & Works Vol. 1" and >>>>>>>>>> have found his sentiment to be true for most of the tracks on that release, >>>>>>>>>> with some exceptions of course. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now Jlin's release here is much more experimental and fresh >>>>>>>>>> sounding than the long tracks of TV show themes spread out over lazy beats. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ignorant or silly? Either way, I can't help myself, Kent! >>>>>>>>>>> Honestly, Jlin's stuff isn't that bad. But for some reason it all sounds a >>>>>>>>>>> bit unfinished to me. But if peeps want to call it minimal, so be it! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:18 PM, kent williams < >>>>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jared, stop being ignorant. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:04 AM Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, Footwork. The genre that sounds like some kid forgot >>>>>>>>>>>>> to add a snare to his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental. Yay >>>>>>>>>>>>> world! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:51 AM, David Bohan < >>>>>>>>>>>>> madvlad00@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't heard of "Footwork"... is this a new genre of music >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The tracks you linked to sound interesting to say the least. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Find it also curious that Jlin works at a steel mill in Gary, Indiana... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not much music prides itself on coming from Indiana >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, kent williams < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised footwork/juke hasn't been a bigger thing on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IDM list. This new record on Planet Mu is revelatory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ356 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> 22tape/jared dunne >>>>>>>>>>>>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> 22tape/jared dunne >>>>>>>>>>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> 22tape/jared dunne >>>>>>>> listen <http://22tape.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>