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From:
David Bohan
To:
Laurent Knauth
Cc:
Clint Anderson , Eric Fairbanks , kent williams , IDM
Date:
Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:33:13 -0400
Subject:
Re: New Squarepusher track
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What's wrong with you all? This track is proper ace. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 144 lines Back in the Protracker days, i once recorded the Amiga channels onto> Back in the Protracker days, i once recorded the Amiga channels onto > cassette and resampled the track this way. > > Quite blurry, RAM-hog (4 bars) and slightly unsync'ed. > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> heh in the .mod days ppl would use mod2wav to make patterns from their >> .mod files into wav files, the idea being that since you only had 4 tracks >> if you could write a 4 track beat and mix it down to 1 wav file you could >> free up 3 channels >> </mod-nerd> >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Eric Fairbanks < >> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Oh man, those stutter-rolls. That's friggin' impressive. They sound so >>> smooth, and the volume envelopes are perfect. >>> >>> Must've taken a hellovalot of time. :P >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:05 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This track was made entirely in Sound Forge >>>> http://www.cornwarning.com/chaircrusher/SoFarSoSo/02%20Morton%27s%20Shadow.mp3 >>>> >>>> This was from this album >>>> http://music.cornwarning.com/2009/01/31/so-far-so-so-retrospective-1995-2005/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:02 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Before Acid Pro, I did a whole bunch of tracks in Sound Forge. I'd >>>>> figure out the number of samples in a 4-beat measures, create that much >>>>> silence, and turn on the selection grid in Sound Forge so I could see where >>>>> the beats were, and paste/mix samples in. Once I had some basic patterns >>>>> and sounds, I'd make copies and fuck them up, and string them out and >>>>> paste-mix other loops into the master mix. >>>>> >>>>> I'm really comfortable working directly with waveforms. It's a lot >>>>> easier these days with other tools, but I liked that method better than the >>>>> other options of the time, which were trackers. >>>>> >>>>> Though I did do trackers to generate loops that I'd arrange in Acid. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:16 PM Eric Fairbanks < >>>>> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ah man, Acid Pro. That's exactly what I was picturing. I've heard of >>>>>> musicians who work like that, but it sounds like a nightmare. Might as well >>>>>> compose music in a video editor at that point IMO. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I did it kind of as a dare for myself. I was working in Acid Pro, >>>>>>> and I cut the break into chunks, and then looped a bar or two bars, and >>>>>>> copy/paste bits into the loop until it feels full. Then move on to the >>>>>>> next measure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It wasn't hard, but it made me hate those particular sounds by the >>>>>>> time I was done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:44 PM Eric Fairbanks < >>>>>>> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kent, that's nuts. I can't imagine working with sampled breaks in >>>>>>>> an audio editor. (well, I suppose I can, but it sounds like a serious >>>>>>>> headache) My recent jam has been writing LUA scripts that >>>>>>>> generate/transform patterns in Renoise that re-arrange cut up breakbeats. >>>>>>>> Editing and manipulating breaks and sequences in a tracker at 180+ BPM >>>>>>>> 8/16LPB is work enough. Cutting up breaks in an audio editor represents a >>>>>>>> level of long-term focus and dedication that I'm unfamiliar with. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Totally hypothetical, but if Jenkinson handed me a spec for some >>>>>>>> beatmangling software, I'd happily implement it in return for some spastic >>>>>>>> Squarepusher-brand breakcore. >.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:24 PM kent williams < >>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not sure I'd call it piss-weak. Not sure if I like it yet, >>>>>>>>> but I enjoy the melodic content. It sounds like he's using the Eventide >>>>>>>>> effects rack as a synthesizer again -- that buzzy foreground sound, which >>>>>>>>> comes from playing bass through it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Closest contemporary comparison is the PC Music stuff, which is >>>>>>>>> manically shiny in a similar way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can't fault him for trying to do something that sounds >>>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As regards the Amen break, I did a track years ago that involved >>>>>>>>> loading the Amen break as a sample, and then cutting and arranging it so >>>>>>>>> every bar was different, across 5 minutes. As you can imagine this amounted >>>>>>>>> to about 8 hours of painstaking zoomed-in editing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ever since doing that, I'm allergic to the Amen. I don't mind if >>>>>>>>> people use it in their tracks, but if I load it a sampler and start messing >>>>>>>>> with it, I start feeling sad and wishing it would go away. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:21 AM CRAIG SIMPSON < >>>>>>>>> craignorms@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is pis* weak. Hes making music that sounds like its all been >>>>>>>>>> sampled from an arcade or funfair. Hes given up on the amen break. It's a >>>>>>>>>> tragedy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:06:04 -0700 >>>>>>>>>> From: gwrenchxx@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Re: Jlin album out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:58:47 -0700 >>>>>>>>>> From: gwrenchxx@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>>>> To: 313@hyperreal.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Jlin album out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've had to review a 12" or two for the radio station where I DJ, and >>>>>>>>>> I've never heard anything that appealed to me in the least. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> kent williams wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > I'm surprised footwork/juke hasn't been a bigger thing on the IDM >>>>>>>>>> > list. This new record on Planet Mu is revelatory. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ356 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>