Hello from your friendly IDM list admin,
The mailing list manager we use, Ezmlm, is extremely cautious about
dealing with bounce messages. If it sees even just one failed message (and
messages sporadically fail with depressing regularity, particularly
sending to gmail), it'll send you directly a "probe" a few days later,
which will send you details about the bounce it's seeing. If that probe
*also* fails, then it will remove the address. But if it succeeds - which
is the warning message you're seeing - then you won't be removed. However
that warning message also likely contains details about why the bounce
happened - what the message was back from the server it tried to send to,
for instance, or if there was a local issue on hyperreal, which there
hasn't been, to my knowledge.
So if you're concerned, feel free to send me the bounce warning / probe
message you get, and I can try to figure out if gmail (and it's always
gmail) is bouncing these messages for something I can try to do something
about, such as being put on a spam blacklist. I don't get informed when
those kinds of warnings get sent because they're so frequent. But usually
the underlying causes of sporadic issues are things I have no control
over.
For the more nerdly of you out there, Gmail is threatening to block all
mailing list emails in the future that don't use a generic "From" header
that matches the domain of the sending MTA based on DMARC rules. For
example, that means senders who use a @gmail.com address, but email to
idm@hyperreal.org, when that message comes back to Gmail they will block
it on the premise it looks like spam, despite that being how email
forwarding and email mailing lists have worked since day zero, and will
break email replies and otherwise make it challenging to know who sent an
email. I have no time/interest in modifying ezmlm to forge the From
headers to a generic address, as some other mailing list providers have
done, so if that happens and gmail was no longer accepting mailing list
emails from @hyperreal.org because of it, I'll probably just move all
these to groups.io and get out of the mailing list hosting hobby.
Also btw if you want reliable email from mailing lists or non-gmail
senders, don't use gmail.
Brian
On Tue, 12 Nov 2024, Aleks tresorg wrote:
quoted 17 lines got them for some time but then they stopped,> got them for some time but then they stopped,
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> On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 11:29 AM Aniek de Rooij <aniekderooij@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, me too!
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> Op di 12 nov 2024 om 11:28 schreef luca tommy tommasini <scaleni@gmail.com>:
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> Yes, me too
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> Il mar 12 nov 2024, 10:05 Seth Branum <djmanos@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> I keep getting these warning messages from idm-help. Not sure why my gmail would bounce messages. Is
> anyone else getting these?
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