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I'm looking for some advice on equipment. Like what is really, really cheap, but usable for recording/playing. The only things I've got to play with right now is a Casio SK-1 (don't laugh) and a PC with a sound card. I have a lot of ideas for cool (at least to me) tracks, but I need a little more to work with. So hey, what's your recommendation for: 1. Synths. 2. Recording Decks. 3. Drum effects. Some ideas I've liked (though not necessarily original) Record the highway noise by my house late at night. I've often tranced out on the subtle phase shifts and phantom tones it gets late at night. And I don't even take drugs. Build up some tracks from Weather Report samples. I'm suprised their first three records haven't come up here as seminal space music... Did you know if you sample an acoustic guitar through a cheap mike, lay down a lot of echo and reverb, and then cut and paste chunks at random, it sounds just like seefeel? Hmmm..... I play the 'cello. No one's done THAT yet. I've also had a lot of fun sampling and looping from a cheezoid Radio Shack electronic drum kit. The biggest problem I have with it is that it's so flimsy that it falls over if you actually drum on it.

SK-1: Hmm...I'm not laughing. Tech137 (Dan) has made some REALLY cool stuff with just this! Some watery-sounding ambient stuff...real neat! Though, the SK-5 has a sequencer, I hear. GEAR RECOMMENDATIONS: Well for analog, the analogue-heaven email list would be most appropriate to ask suggestions (analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) CELLO: Not sure of any electronic artists using this, but I believe it's used in one of my favorite Smashing Pumpkins song "Disarm" (*duck*) ELECTRONIC DANCE MUSIC: How about ELECTRONIC MUSIC, since there is some stuff ('idm') that I wouldn't really dance to...? Or how about just MUSIC ? :) NEW RELEASES: Is there a NEW 'IDM' RELEASES list anywhere?? IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven tape, or Techno Tape, or NETherworld tape? i.e., a compilation of netters' original musical material? Specifically 'IDM'? I'd be interested...and you can hear Dan's SK-1 sound like AFX! :) -djkc

djkc <djkc@blkbox.com> writes:

quoted 4 lines IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven

> IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven > tape, or Techno Tape, or NETherworld tape? i.e., a compilation of > netters' original musical material? Specifically 'IDM'? > I'd be interested...and you can hear Dan's SK-1 sound like AFX! :)

sounds like a great idea. (hiding fear of having to actually decide what track to put onto a tape). i'd do the organization but my tape decks really suck (i like them that way, most people's music probably would not :). anybody????? - DanN /~~~\ |~~~~\ |~~||~~~~~~| |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | o | | o || ||__ __| | DanN = moddan@vlad.bowker.com | \ / /~~~\ | / | | | | | t23@cyberspace.com | / \ | O || \ | | | | | Transmission 23 - FTZ - edrone | | O | \___/ | O || | | | |____________________________________| \___/ C O L L|____/E|__|C |__|T I V E \*\ \*\

On Sat, 21 May 1994, Dan Nicholson wrote:

quoted 4 lines IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven

> > IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven > > tape, or Techno Tape, or NETherworld tape? i.e., a compilation of > > netters' original musical material? Specifically 'IDM'? > > I'd be interested...and you can hear Dan's SK-1 sound like AFX! :)

Yeah, I mentioned this to brian and a few others a couple of months back. My original idea was for perhaps a CD pressing, but that is looking unlikely. I am still working on the idea however, and if you would be interested in contributing an original piece of music for an IDM compilation, mail me at fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu. If theres enough interest, we'll see what we can put together. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d <finger me for PGP key> /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27:

quoted 2 lines IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven

> IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven > tape, or Techno Tape, or NETherworld tape?

What are these tapes, are they any good, and are they still available? It's a pity these things don't get cross posted more widely..... I can hardly cope with the lists I'm on at the moment..... Cosmic

quoted 11 lines IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven

> > > > IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven > > tape, or Techno Tape, or NETherworld tape? > > What are these tapes, are they any good, and are they still available? > It's a pity these things don't get cross posted more widely..... I > can hardly cope with the lists I'm on at the moment..... > > Cosmic >

Analogue Heaven, and the Techno Tape too I believe, are on the AH mailing list: analogue-request@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (analog gear (&music?) discussion) And the NETherworld tape is a compilation by Jason Leder (Method 1), lederjaso@urvax.urich.edu. Submission are of electronic, rave genres (ambient, trance, hardcore/breakbeat, techno, tribal, gabber, house of all types i believe, etc etc). Deadline is June 1. -djkc

Roy Badami <roy@harlequin.co.uk> writes:

quoted 6 lines IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven

> > IDEA: Has anyone considered doing something similar to the Analogue-Heaven > > tape, or Techno Tape, or NETherworld tape? > > What are these tapes, are they any good, and are they still available? > It's a pity these things don't get cross posted more widely..... I > can hardly cope with the lists I'm on at the moment.....

To find out about the analogue heaven tapes, send email to Forrest Cook at cook@stout.atd.ucar.edu The first tape has been out for some time and the second one will be out very soon. These tapes are groovy if i do say so myself and filled with ambient, breaks, idm, trance, and totally undescribable but brilliant weird tracks. and some of my crap no-equipment productions too =) - DanN /~~~\ |~~~~\ |~~||~~~~~~| |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | o | | o || ||__ __| | DanN = moddan@vlad.bowker.com | \ / /~~~\ | / | | | | | t23@cyberspace.com | / \ | O || \ | | | | | Transmission 23 - FTZ - edrone | | O | \___/ | O || | | | |____________________________________| \___/ C O L L|____/E|__|C |__|T I V E \*\ \*\

*** If you're not interested in _making IDM_ skip past this message *** Kent Williams <williams@cs.uiowa.edu> writes:

quoted 6 lines I'm looking for some advice on equipment. Like what is really, really cheap,

> I'm looking for some advice on equipment. Like what is really, really cheap, > but usable for recording/playing. > > The only things I've got to play with right now is a Casio SK-1 (don't laugh) > and a PC with a sound card. I have a lot of ideas for cool (at least to me) > tracks, but I need a little more to work with.

Which soundcard do you have? For years my only pieces of equipment were soundcards in my PC. They're still my most-used pieces :)

quoted 3 lines So hey, what's your recommendation for:

> So hey, what's your recommendation for: > > 1. Synths.

Sh-101s are cheap and quite fun. for me it's a downside because there's no MIDI, so unfortunately i have to sample it alot and sequence the samples, but for live-recordings it's great. you should be able to get one for around $120-150 lots of people will laugh, but many of the _older_ cheezy consumer keyboards, like the yamaha PSS-480 FM keyboard, are great for sounds.. this particular model even has a pretty realtime resonance control.. lately we've been using alot of sounds from old casio consumer keyboards too, as well as a Casio CZ-101, which you can get for around $100. don't pay more than like $50 for a consumer keyboard though. you're going to need/want a sampler with some decent memory.. the cheapest way to go about this is to get another soundcard in your PC. there are two inexpensive choices at the moment that are worth considering, the Turtle Beach Maui, and the Gravis UltraSound. Here's a bit about both: TB Maui - this is a card designed to be added to a system which already has a soundcard with sampling abilities. It's a wavetable/sample playback module with 2 SIMM memory slots that can hold up to 8mb of RAM. It's also got a full General-MIDI sound set in ROM for games and things like that (the sound quality is good enough on these to use some for regular music, like the string sounds), and has a standard MPU-401 compatible interface so almost any piece of software can use it, although the patch maker runs under windows, so you'll probably want to use a windows midi sequencer. samples are transferred from the hard drive to it via Sysex. The card is going for about $160 mail-order, but a friend of mine says turtle beach is selling them direct for **$99** with 256k of RAM, which can be upgraded to 8mb for about $300, or 4mb for about $150. I'm about to pick up two myself (you can have up to 4 of these cards in the same machine). This is without a doubt the best price-performance deal for sample playback out there - you can have four 8mb cards for $1600 which gives you 32mb of sampling RAM, up to 128 polyphonic voices (at 16bit, 32khz, or 96 voices at 16b, 44khz), and the sound quality is superb. Gravis UltraSound - this is an all-in-one card with built in 8-bit, 44khz sampling, 16-bit, 44khz playback and up to 1mb of RAM (256k standard). The sample playback portion does 14 voices at 16b, 44khz on up to 32 voices at 22khz (i believe). i personally can't tell the difference :) it comes with about 7mb of patches, and there is _tons_ of support for this card on the internet, including a large ftp site. the sampler can be upgraded to 16-bit, 48khz with the addition of a daughtercard for about $100. The card itself is selling for $110-150 usually, although I would say don't pay more than $130 because it's quite easy to find somewhere that sells it for that. The major downside to this card is the small amount of memory it can hold, but it's otherwise very powerful. This card is used by alot of budget techno makers nowadays, including myself :)

quoted 1 line 2. Recording Decks.

> 2. Recording Decks.

I assume you mean multitracks. First, I'll have to ask "Why?" If you pick your synths and boxes wisely, you can do most everything with midi, and it's alot less hassle than laying everything onto tape. Your money might be better spent on a DAT (digital audio tape) machine for making final mixdowns and making live recordings (get a portable one - they're also nice for grabbing sounds to sample from everywhere). If you _do_ want a multitrack, there are plenty of good ones for not too much. The Tascam Porta-03 is really cheap (i sold one for i think $100) although it's very no-frills. The Tascam Porta-07 might be a better choice, or any of the comparable yamaha models. Fostex makes great cassette multitrack machines as well. Compare features and prices and decide which one you want.

quoted 1 line 3. Drum effects.

> 3. Drum effects.

Lots of people will argue about the sound quality, but ART's FXR and FXR elite are two versatile, cheap fx boxes. The FXR is non-programmable (has like 200 presets) and goes for under $200, and the FXR elite with programmable parameters and midi control is about $50 more. If you could find a cheap used Boss SE-50, that's also a great box.

quoted 5 lines Some ideas I've liked (though not necessarily original)

> Some ideas I've liked (though not necessarily original) > > Record the highway noise by my house late at night. I've often > tranced out on the subtle phase shifts and phantom tones it gets late > at night. And I don't even take drugs.

Hmmm. neat idea. i often hang a microphone out a window and record 'real' ambient sounds for sampling. there's alot of sounds out there to be used that don't come from some analog or digital synth!

quoted 1 line I play the 'cello. No one's done THAT yet.

> I play the 'cello. No one's done THAT yet.

go for it!

quoted 3 lines I've also had a lot of fun sampling and looping from a cheezoid Radio

> I've also had a lot of fun sampling and looping from a cheezoid Radio > Shack electronic drum kit. The biggest problem I have with it is that > it's so flimsy that it falls over if you actually drum on it.

:) btw, for those that have read this far, i'm working on getting a techno music makers list up and running, as well as a WWW server where each musician can have clips of their music or whatever they want. (thanks to Jamie for this idea!) At the latest, it will all be up and running by the end of June, although I hope to get it working sooner. Stay tuned! - DanN /~~~\ |~~~~\ |~~||~~~~~~| |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | o | | o || ||__ __| | DanN = moddan@vlad.bowker.com | \ / /~~~\ | / | | | | | t23@cyberspace.com | / \ | O || \ | | | | | Transmission 23 - FTZ - edrone | | O | \___/ | O || | | | |____________________________________| \___/ C O L L|____/E|__|C |__|T I V E \*\ \*\

I'm all for the idea of an IDM comp. I also have a few leads on pressing it to CD, if there's interest (a minimum of 500 would probably be needed). Brian

quoted 4 lines I'm all for the idea of an IDM comp. I also have a few leads on pressing it

>I'm all for the idea of an IDM comp. I also have a few leads on pressing it >to CD, if there's interest (a minimum of 500 would probably be needed). > > Brian

Well, count me in for a CD. Since there appears to be only 250 or so idm'ers out there, we'd need to find a way to promote such a release elsewhere. Sending mail to the other mailing lists (uk-dance, bpm, klf/orb, etc) and perhaps some newsgroups (alt.rave, rec.music.industrial, alt.music.techno) would be easy. Any others out there interested? -boB

On May 21, 8:52pm, you proclaimed: } >I'm all for the idea of an IDM comp. I also have a few leads on pressing it } >to CD, if there's interest (a minimum of 500 would probably be needed). } Well, count me in for a CD. Since there appears to be only 250 or so } idm'ers out there, we'd need to find a way to promote such a release } elsewhere. Sending mail to the other mailing lists (uk-dance, bpm, } klf/orb, etc) and perhaps some newsgroups (alt.rave, } rec.music.industrial, alt.music.techno) would be easy. Any others out } there interested? Let's see if anyone has anything they want to contribute first - I can put high-quality samples on techno of each song (hell, if I had 680 spare megs I could put a full CD's worth of 44.1/stereo 16bit :) to give people a feel. Anyone want to spearhead this project? I can help, but I can't be the center of it. Brian

bbehlen@soda.berkeley.edu (Brian Behlendorf) writes:

quoted 5 lines Let's see if anyone has anything they want to contribute first - I can

> Let's see if anyone has anything they want to contribute first - I can > put high-quality samples on techno of each song (hell, if I had 680 > spare megs I could put a full CD's worth of 44.1/stereo 16bit :) to > give people a feel. Anyone want to spearhead this project? I can help, > but I can't be the center of it.

The idea of putting samples (whole songs?) on t.s.e is good. I can throw my own stuff up there pretty easily.. although does anyone out there have a XingSound MPEG audio encoder or some such? the quality is quite good, there's software playback on lots of systems, and the compression is fantastic (10:1 with little loss). there's always ADPCM too (4:1) but it's not as widely supported. of course there's the ever popular 8khz u-law .AUs (yuk!) that are all over the site already. i've definitely got a track to contribute, but i don't have a clue _what_ track it would be currently. certainly not a gabber track ;-) it might be a good idea to do it a first time around on tape, then see how that works out and try a CD. getting a cd organized and then pressed is alot more work (and $$$) then a simple nicely done tape compilation. - DanN /~~~\ |~~~~\ |~~||~~~~~~| |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | o | | o || ||__ __| | DanN = moddan@vlad.bowker.com | \ / /~~~\ | / | | | | | t23@cyberspace.com | / \ | O || \ | | | | | Transmission 23 - FTZ - edrone | | O | \___/ | O || | | | |____________________________________| \___/ C O L L|____/E|__|C |__|T I V E \*\ \*\

Brian, Count me in for contributing tracks to this IDM compilation. It sounds like a good idea. Since you're considering C.D. pressing and such, have you considered the idea of contacting Warp or maybe another label with this idea? They may be interested. Give it a shot! What have you got to lose? -Matt

quoted 8 lines Brian,

> > Brian, > Count me in for contributing tracks to this IDM compilation. It sounds > like a good idea. Since you're considering C.D. pressing and such, have > you considered the idea of contacting Warp or maybe another label with > this idea? They may be interested. Give it a shot! What have you got to lose? > > -Matt

Sorry I missed what compilation it is.... But I can sure contribute to it toooo, I've got plenty of material... Mike

quoted 9 lines Brian,

> > > > > Brian, > > Count me in for contributing tracks to this IDM compilation. It sounds > > like a good idea. Since you're considering C.D. pressing and such, have > > you considered the idea of contacting Warp or maybe another label with > > this idea? They may be interested. Give it a shot! What have you got to lose? > > > > -Matt

No $h!t !!! I've just been talking with a lady who runs an InSoc (Information Society) fan club here in Houston called Control-Alt-Delete and she just got done doing something called CatCompilation, and compilation of Network bands (what does "Network" mean? Hell, I'm underground, I dunno!). Anyway, it has signed AND UN-signed bands on it. And she's been contacted by SPIN... they're interested in it. What I was thinking was, why not take net-compilations to a more serious level by trying to offer it to a label. How could we sell ourselves? "Sounds from Cyberspace?" Or what? "Audio of the Amateurs" (I assume most of us are unsigned)? =) First we must see what Floo and B have to say... If you guys want to atleast try, we should all help out and make contacts with labels about the idea. Should we go organized, or just see what anybody can come up with? Sounds like fun. If something comes of this, maybe Jason/Method1 could try to do the same with his NETherworld. -djkc

quoted 4 lines have

>> >have >> > you considered the idea of contacting Warp or maybe another label with >> > this idea? They may be interested. Give it a shot! What have you got to >>lose?

quoted 1 line No $h!t !!!

>No $h!t !!!

Exactly :-)

quoted 1 line CatCompilation, a compilation of Network [Internet?] bands

>CatCompilation, a compilation of Network [Internet?] bands

quoted 2 lines it has signed AND UN-signed bands on it. And she's been contacted by SPIN...

>it has signed AND UN-signed bands on it. And she's been contacted by SPIN... >they're interested in it.

Hell yes. Ever since it suddenly became cool to 'play in cyberspace' (ooooh), the music media is just ripe for something like this.

quoted 3 lines What I was thinking was, why not take net-compilations to a more serious

>What I was thinking was, why not take net-compilations to a more serious >level by trying to offer it to a label. How could we sell ourselves? >"Sounds from Cyberspace?"

Ahh. Nice spin on that one. Here's some more: "Dream of the Cybernauts" "Virtual Music from Cyberspace" "Soundtrack for Cyberspace" You get the idea. Just pile a whole lot of media-hot-button buzz words together and they're likely to bite. There's a lot of hype potential here.

quoted 3 lines First we must see what Floo and B have to say...

>First we must see what Floo and B have to say... >If you guys want to atleast try, we should all help out and make contacts >with labels about the idea.

I'll be happy to try, but if I had solid connections with a label, then I wouldn't be unsigned. Well, ideally, anyway... We need to multiply our influence by leveraging the hype factor with the collective influences of the few IDM'ers who *are* in tight with the labels, and with magazines like SPIN, WiRED, etc. I like this idea! Barry "Information wants to be free! (Or for a small charge, which will be conveniently added to your monthly phone bill.)" -B. Sanders

quoted 15 lines Have you considered the idea of contacting Warp or maybe another label with

>>>>Have you considered the idea of contacting Warp or maybe another label with >>>>this idea? They may be interested. Give it a shot! What have you got to >>>>lose? >> >>No $h!t !!! > >Exactly :-) > >>CatCompilation, a compilation of Network [Internet?] bands >> >>It has signed AND UN-signed bands on it. And she's been contacted by SPIN - >>they're interested in it. > >Hell yes. Ever since it suddenly became cool to 'play in cyberspace' (ooooh), >the music media is just ripe for something like this.

Jeez. The irony, here this guy Barry is at NCSA and all ... C'mon folks. A net compilation *tape*? As in, "analog cassette"? As in, "yesterday's news", "primitive mechanisms" and all that? Why don't we press some 78's ... Surely we can do better than that. Put on your thinking caps. What's the obvious thing? Give up? Well, here's the answer: the Virtual Web Compilation. You click on a WWW page at "techno", it tells you all about the work, and then there are separate Hypertext links to each track, pointing you off to a Web server where the track lives. 8-bit ulaw AU format? 16-bit MPEG audio format? Whatever. I don't care. Just do something. For example, I could put one of my wife's tracks up on my Web server at work, and clicking on her entry would download it from here. You all, of course, DO realize that in the very near future, this mechanism will become the de-facto distribution mechanism for unsigned music, don't you? Big Ugly Rip-Off Money-Hungry Record Companies will cease to exist as we know it, if we can pull this off. They're already scared shitless. Don't believe me? My wife is an ASCAP member. She gets worthless brochures from the Harry Fox Agency - the people who are supposed to be out collecting her royalties from this miserable Belgian bastard who kept them all - and the last one we got showed a bunch of suits attending a conference to discuss how to keep control of copyright protection in Cyberspace. So why shouldn't WE be the first pioneers to show the way towards this kind of future? Who needs a bunch of tw*ts like Warp or whomever to wait a million years to get it out, then if it happens to sell they say "Sorry chaps, we've only sold enough to minimize our losses, argy bargy hah hah hah ...". Take the means of production and distribution into your own hands. Remember Punk Rock? As soon as I get off my lazy arse, I'm going to buy a cheap Radio Schlock mixer that does good stereo -> mono mixdowns, and then I'm going to bring it into work and start blasting Namlook, AFX, "Trance Europe Express" et al. all over the g*dd*mn*d Internet. If you're on the net at your desktop and you don't have MBONE access, get off the stick already. (-: There's already an MBONE radio show ("Radio Free VAT") and all I have to do is get a slot to play in. Not hard, since there're only a couple of people playing stuff on it ... - Greg P.S. "What's MBONE?" - http://www.research.att.com/mbone-faq.html

On Mon, 23 May 1994, - Greg Earle wrote:

quoted 3 lines C'mon folks. A net compilation *tape*? As in, "analog cassette"? As in,

> C'mon folks. A net compilation *tape*? As in, "analog cassette"? As in, > "yesterday's news", "primitive mechanisms" and all that? Why don't we press > some 78's ...

Well, the idea was actually for a CD...

quoted 1 line Give up? Well, here's the answer: the Virtual Web Compilation.

> Give up? Well, here's the answer: the Virtual Web Compilation.

Id thought about this myself. The Rephlex www discography is close to finished and Brian started the "Web Music" list detailing his ideas for the future of music on the net. I dont think that this would exist on its own however, but would compliment the CD pressing. Perhaps it could contain artist biographies and other additional information not included in the CD cover. _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d <finger me for PGP key> /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit@chopin.udel.edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid@freezer.cns.udel.edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27:

On Mon, 23 May 1994, Barry Sanders wrote:

quoted 7 lines Ahh. Nice spin on that one. Here's some more:

> > Ahh. Nice spin on that one. Here's some more: > > "Dream of the Cybernauts" > "Virtual Music from Cyberspace" > "Soundtrack for Cyberspace" >

I think you should call it 'Themes from Inteligent Dance Music' or is everybody going to get into that 'what is IDM' again. Later, Larry.

From the cyberdesk of: LARRY S LEITNER

quoted 7 lines On Mon, 23 May 1994, Barry Sanders wrote:

> On Mon, 23 May 1994, Barry Sanders wrote: > > Ahh. Nice spin on that one. Here's some more: > > "Dream of the Cybernauts" > > "Virtual Music from Cyberspace" > > "Soundtrack for Cyberspace" > I think you should call it 'Themes from Inteligent Dance Music' or is > everybody going to get into that 'what is IDM' again.

How about: "Themes from IDM" (the acronym rolls better off the tongue, IMHO) "Whispers of the Mind" "Motifs: An electronic soundscape" "Murmurs from the Electronic Frontier" "Edge of the world: Cyberspace is not flat!" IMHO, I prefer the WWW approach, though. Self-publishing seems to me to be the best solution. (As long as there are no "orb-alikes" with 39+ minute pieces.) Here's some questions for fellow IDM-ers: Where and HOW did you get your fat pipe to the Internet to support the bandwidth WWW and multimedia access you seem to be enjoying? And I'm particularly interested in those of us that *don't* use the resources of the university they attend. Some of us cannot remain students all of our lives. Anybody got a "personal" (or close to it) T1 link? What all is involved in getting a fat pipe to your house? What sort of cost are we talkin? What are the actual services and boxes that I would need? (i.e. what products do I start shopping for and what do I ask the phone company or Sprint or AT&T or MCI or (others, anyone?) to give me? Anybody live where Ole Bill (Gates) is hookin' up yer TV to the Internet via two-way cable-TV? What's available now with 14.4k bps v.FAST technology (i.e. <$200 modems)? Is Mosaic just too slow at that speed, even? If I download Mosaic for Windoze, what else do I need to do to use it? Do I need to find a SLIP connection to the net at that point? I heard I need TCP/IP services for Mosaic (i.e. get a TCP/IP DLL). I guess I'm heading towards either becoming a provider myself or helping others get access to these services. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael King mike%delta1@rex.cs.tulane.edu Delta Systems New Orleans, LA 70002-4938 Voice: 504.837.9835 Fax: 504.837.9838 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- One in twelve people is mentally unstable. Think of your eleven closest friends; if they seem ok . . . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

LARRY S LEITNER <leitner@cs.odu.edu> writes:

quoted 13 lines On Mon, 23 May 1994, Barry Sanders wrote:

> > > On Mon, 23 May 1994, Barry Sanders wrote: > > > > Ahh. Nice spin on that one. Here's some more: > > > > "Dream of the Cybernauts" > > "Virtual Music from Cyberspace" > > "Soundtrack for Cyberspace" > > > > I think you should call it 'Themes from Inteligent Dance Music' or is > everybody going to get into that 'what is IDM' again.

hey... there's a good one: "what is IDM" :-) gets my vote! - DanN /~~~\ |~~~~\ |~~||~~~~~~| |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | o | | o || ||__ __| | DanN = moddan@vlad.bowker.com | \ / /~~~\ | / | | | | | t23@cyberspace.com | / \ | O || \ | | | | | Transmission 23 - FTZ - edrone | | O | \___/ | O || | | | |____________________________________| \___/ C O L L|____/E|__|C |__|T I V E \*\ \*\

quoted 4 lines You click on a WWW page at "techno", it tells you all about the work, and

> You click on a WWW page at "techno", it tells you all about the work, and > then there are separate Hypertext links to each track, pointing you off > to a Web server where the track lives. 8-bit ulaw AU format? 16-bit > MPEG audio format?

Real nice for everyone who has guaranteed access to all kinds of wonky net technology, not so nice for the rest of the world. I'd kind of like to hear the stuff too, if that's not too much trouble. -- Lazlo (lazlo@xmission.com)

On Mon, 30 May 1994, Brian Behlendorf wrote:

quoted 6 lines Okay, here's the scoop. I would LOVE to do this. (btw, my vote definitely

> Okay, here's the scoop. I would LOVE to do this. (btw, my vote definitely > goes with the title "Threads"). A few problems: first off, disk space is > becoming more of a scarcity at t.s.e., but this may change fairly soon. > Secondly, the audio format technology is *almost* there, but not quite, to > make this acceptible. What is acceptible in my mind? 44.1 khtz 16.bit > stereo that can fit into something on the scale of a megabyte a minute.

Or approximately 10:1 lossless compression - which isn't something I know is readily available in any format.

quoted 5 lines Supposedly MPEG audio has this capability, but until there are *free*

> Supposedly MPEG audio has this capability, but until there are *free* > (freeware or shareware) converters, and players (no, converting to .au > does not count) this isn't something we should back. ADPCM supposedly > holds promise too (Francois I'll get back to you soon) but it needs to > be held to the same standards. 22.1 Khtz *might* be acceptible.

I'd disagree here. Anyone contributing to this comp will want their own work to sound as good to us as it does to them, right off DAT or whatever. Still assuming a 10:1 compression at 22.1, you're still looking at 500K per minute, which for even a 60-minute compilation, is still big ticket for anyone without a dedicated T1, which could do it in about 10 minutes. For those of us suffering with campus networks that can *maybe* hit a tenth of a T1 to the desktop, you're looking a couple of hours.

quoted 5 lines Anyways,

> Anyways, > once these problems get resolved, this will definitely be something we > can do. I suppose for now we can put the complete songs online in .au > format (not just samples because the musicians will themselves be putting > it online). Bandwidth is still a consideration for many, too.

But do-able. Knowing what we know (or some of us know, anyway) about the RMI CD debacle, would there be any interest in getting this thing pressed? Dave :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu:::::::: :: "What I got in my head you can't buy, steal or borrow..." :: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::--Primal Scream::::::::::::

quoted 4 lines But do-able. Knowing what we know (or some of us know, anyway) about the

> > But do-able. Knowing what we know (or some of us know, anyway) about the > RMI CD debacle, would there be any interest in getting this thing pressed? >

the initial try was a debacle, but now it seems we've got a more solid and reliable presser. you could always ask the guy who's doing the pressings now who he goes to or who he found... -gts/uwiz