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1994-02-24 03:24ozymandias G desiderata Remember, folks, they're just opinions...
1994-02-24 15:47Chris.Hilker Re: Remember, folks, they're just opinions...
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1994-02-24 03:24ozymandias G desiderataThere's some reviews at the bottom of this message, so if you want to skip my pontificatio
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ozymandias G desiderata
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Wed, 23 Feb 94 20:24:03 -0700
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Remember, folks, they're just opinions...
There's some reviews at the bottom of this message, so if you want to skip my pontifications, just go down there. But I've got a couple things on my mind that have started bugging me so much that I'm going to de-lurk to air them (yikes!). I have to say this: this list is really beginning to piss me off. You all seem to have forgotten that music is one of those things to which nobody can make any real claims to objectivity. In the end it's all just our personal opinions, none more valid than anyone else's. When we all forget that we start sounding like really mean-spirited schoolkids, ("You don't like Star Wars? Man, you're really stupid!" "I am not!" "Are too! Chewbacca's the best!") and I didn't enjoy school very much because of kids like that. Saying that an inability to perceive a band's greatness is the fault of a listener is just plain STOOPID. And I found the total slam of the person who wanted to talk about Lenny Dee / Industrial Strength on this list offensive. I honestly feel that a case can be made for "hardcore as intelligent music." X-103 or Labworks, anyone? As the notice we were all sent when we joined idm said, definitions of idm depend on who's making the definition. We came together here to talk about music that moved our heads and hearts as well as our bodies. Can't we use both of those things while discussing the tunes? Which is not to say that I'm against people slamming tunes, I merely hoped that everybody would have realized that all the bickering we're doing about AFX, FSOL, and other acronyms is counterproductive, because it basically became a religious issue very early on. But enough of that. I picked up the Vapourspace single, the album, Juno Reactor, and the Cream of Tomato comp. I like them all very much, though for different reasons. I just wish I was able to buy new tunes more often. Has anyone noticed that "Gravitational Arch of 10" sounds like a much lusher remix of Mark's earlier song (as Cusp) "Drone um Futurismo," on Probe? Vapourspace's melodic structures and textures remind me, in turn, of the best of Richie Hawtin's work (no surprise there) and the most focused Orbital tracks. Bleeps and odd rhythms abound, and the flugelhorn patch they use in "Gravitational Arch" feels orgasmic. That song is _very_ reminiscent of Vangelis's electronic Blade Runner score. Mark Gage is definitely an artist to watch. On the down side, I do wish (very strenuously, in fact) that they had indexed the "Themes" CD. I don't think it's seamless enough to warrant being left as one track. And with the single covering the "Gravitational Arch" terrain as firmly as it does, I wish that a little less of the album had been devoted to that song. Plus, one song on "Themes" has some really annoying high-frequency bursts in it that make me feel like there's mosquitos in my ears. Whoever mentioned that Juno Reactor sounds like a modernized version of Eon was spot-on. I'd even go so far as to wager that the beat in one of the songs was lifted straight up from "Final Warning." And it's got the same general feel: smooth but crunchy, and lots of space-related samples (HAL pops up, but they're not the same old samples that everybody else has been using). As an aside, a lot of the samples make me feel melancholic because they remind me of the fact that the American space program was functionally dead before I could really understand what it was all about. Me being the SF boy that I am, this saddens me, but I suppose that's neither here nor there. But the music itself supports these kinds of thoughts, because it's very mellow and reflexive. In fact, it does become sonic wallpaper at some points, but the textures take over when the melodies grow boring. Finally, the Tomato comp is great. This CD is a wonderful cross between the best Hard Hands / Guerilla progressive sound and New York's pounding disco/house tunes. Many of you are likely to recognize the Infinite Wheel's "Lake of Dreams" from In Order To Dance 4, which is here in an edited form. It's not really representative of the CD or the label, as it's a bit more techno- or trance-oriented than most of the stuff on the label. However, the rest of the comp is very smooth progressive house. My only complaint is that many of the tracks are very old. Hopefully Moonshine will release some more recent of their stuff. yrz, ozymandias
1994-02-24 15:47Chris.Hilkerozymandias G desiderata writes: > And I found the total slam > of the person who wanted to
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Chris.Hilker
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Thu, 24 Feb 1994 07:47:28 -0800 (PST)
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Re: Remember, folks, they're just opinions...
ozymandias G desiderata writes:
quoted 6 lines And I found the total slam> And I found the total slam > of the person who wanted to talk about Lenny Dee / Industrial Strength > on this list offensive. I honestly feel that a case can be made for > "hardcore as intelligent music." X-103 or Labworks, anyone? As the > notice we were all sent when we joined idm said, definitions of idm > depend on who's making the definition.
I found the slam spot-on. This is Alan's list and if you don't like his idea of the way it should be run, then start your own. I have a lot of complaints with the current state of the list and I will be outlining those objections and suggesting solutions soon, in private mail, to some of you. C. -- (Chris.Hilker) cspot@netcom.com