bravo on that ryan. well-said.
and i hope and believe in that as long as "idm" means the words that
the letters actually stand for, and not some kind of retro-90s flava
that bandwagon-jumpers will be mining once the 80s revival has burned
out.
artists like otto von schirach, kid606, squarepusher, and venetian
snares have been mining rave/jungle territory on their newest
releases. hell, even new dubstep hopeful zomby named his debut album
"where were u in '92". now, i actually like most of the releases i
just mentioned, but my fear is that those artists will simply
influence everyone else to go on a 90s retro binge. it's one thing if
burial creates wholly original pieces by echoing the ghosts of jungle
floating in his brain; another for those less innovative to simply ape
sounds and styles gone by.
look to the future.
On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Rjyan Kadwallader wrote:
quoted 105 lines think a lotta people got real psyched when this weird shit started to
> think a lotta people got real psyched when this weird shit started to
> have truck with the squares. got with rappers, got with bands, tried
> to make it work with the general population... branch out, see the
> world, get paid/pussy. if radiohead and timbaland could jack idm
> flavor and get hailed as geniuses, well then just maybe.....
>
> but pop music and pop music-influenced music havent given anything
> back to anybody... it's the same disposable
> culturevulture-with-the-wandering-eye shit it's been since halliburton
> blew down the 2towers, asking artists to compromise for no real reason
> other than to maintain the tritest conceivable consensus. and I think
> world events, these particular wars and economic/ecological hamfistery
> have made rolling with the lcd crowd feel quite unavoidably
> distasteful. it's getting harder and harder to make excuses for the
> mainstream's bland insistence on vapid optimism and obsessive
> materialism, every year corporations seem to squander any kind of good
> will we might want to bear toward them--- the whole POP dream has, as
> houellebecq would say, "collapsed under the weight of its own
> meaninglessness."
>
> and so people seem to be checking in on the technofreaks again.
> listening to some guitar-holding sissy sing some vague nonsense feels
> like watching some holywood drama-school hustler pretend to be average
> on the big screen... so I think there's increasing value once again in
> dudes who can master technology and flip the paradigm that we see all
> around us (technology enslaving men), make the machines sing the way
> humans could sing before singing had all its urgency and mortality
> autotuned out of it,
> idm resurgence is clearly in the cards.
>
>
>
> On 1/16/09, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:
>> i may be speaking out of turn here, but here's my opinion.
>>
>> "IDM' was the name of this list (as you must know) but then became
>> attached to a certain sound. in some ways it replaced "electronica"
>> as
>> the buzzword for a certain type of electronic-based music.
>>
>> this "sound" is largely out of favor at the moment, partially due to
>> too many clone artists, and partially due to trends moving on. this
>> means people, such as yourself, move on too.
>>
>> as those three letters never really meant anything, we can continue
>> to
>> talk about various kinds of electronic music here, such as breakcore
>> or dubstep. but gone are the salad days of the original artists that
>> were the impetus of this list. autechre, squarepusher, and even
>> aphex
>> still release records, but not at the same pace. and they don't seem
>> to be surrounded by a particular "scene" or group of artists anymore.
>>
>> warp records had a mainstream spotlight shone on it due to
>> namechecking from thom yorke for awhile. but even radiohead have
>> largely jettisoned the electronic elements introduced 9-10 years ago.
>> in the meantime, warp has diversified into dance-rock, 60s/70s-
>> influenced pop, and soundtracks. that makes them seem more like the
>> sound of the past than the sound of the future.
>>
>> i don't say this to criticize warp or the artists mentioned. just
>> making observations, and pointing out that things change. this list
>> seems to be focused on something which has largely passed, although
>> the same ideas can be applied to good music being made today, i'll
>> bet
>> many music-makers and -listeners don't wish to be associated with the
>> "IDM" tag. and thus they're not on this list.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:25 PM, GilFirst Name Videla wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>> It's been quite a # of years since I have been on this list, maybe
>>> over 7. I think the first time I sub'd was in 1993 or 94. Around
>>> 2000/01 I think is when I left. I had become a dad, got married,
>>> grew tired of the endless AUTECHRE wars that clogged the inbox so I
>>> unsubbed.
>>>
>>> Recently, I grew tired of listening to countless M_nus clones
>>> labelling themselves "minimal" artists, discovered yet another genre
>>> I'll never understand called "electro house" So I thought I outta go
>>> back on that IDM list that was so influentail to me years ago.
>>>
>>> While I expected some things to change I guess I am curious about
>>> the somewhat small signal to nosie ratio here. I'm not complaining,
>>> not in the least. I'm just a bit surprised to receive maybe 1 or 2
>>> digest a week. Back when it was easily 5-6 a day (sometimes)
>>> So since I've been away, anyone care to summarize what's changed
>>>
>>> Feel free to message me privately if you feel this will grow into a
>>> huge unnecessary discussion. I'm just curious on your thoughts since
>>> i've pretty much disappeared from IDM music for quite sometime...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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