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My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to listen to it anyway? I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/ xihilisk (IMO) Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- _Retrospective.flac I just feel like killing myself right now... Göran Sandström www.myspace.com/Veqtor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then yer doing it for the wrong reason. I would highly suggest not quitting. Pussy. (that was for negative reinforcement purposes) Yer Pal, Gel-Sol www.gel-sol.com --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote:

quoted 33 lines From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>

> From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:37 PM > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got > the least > votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it > does... Why the > hell have I been making music for more than half of my life > I nobody > wants to listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the > guy who got > the most votes, I think his music sucks: > http://www.myspace.com/ > xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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Agree completely. Who gives a crap about some internet survey, anyway? The winner usually is the one with the most friends who can hack contests or get a whole bunch of discussion forum wankers on a voting spree. - Mark -----Original Message----- From: Gel-Sol [mailto:gelsol@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:41 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org; Göran Sandström Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting.... If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then yer doing it for the wrong reason. I would highly suggest not quitting. Pussy. (that was for negative reinforcement purposes) Yer Pal, Gel-Sol www.gel-sol.com --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote:

quoted 33 lines From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>

> From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:37 PM > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got > the least > votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it > does... Why the > hell have I been making music for more than half of my life > I nobody > wants to listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the > guy who got > the most votes, I think his music sucks: > http://www.myspace.com/ > xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote:

quoted 5 lines My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes

> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell have > I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to listen > to it anyway?

I second Gel-Sol suggestion. You should make tunes for yourself... like Aphex claims he does in some "russian" interview up on Youtube ;-) I just started making tunes myself and i'm having loads of fun even if i can already tell i'll never get as good as you guys. That said your track shares some of the atmosphere with my fav track right now: "You and I" by Pangaea http://www.myspace.com/journeytopangaea Regarding your track in the specific, my personal opinion is that you should slim down the sounds: there's too many going around. But hey, this is my first "track"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcs46IuHY7Y ... so you see where the comment comes from ;-) L.

shiiiit some of the shit I've made is phenomenal, do you think anybody gives a fuck? in reality we have to make music for ourselves or it's just not worth the effort, don't quit your dayjob   --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote: From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... To: idm@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 4:37 PM My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to listen to it anyway? I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/ xihilisk (IMO) Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- _Retrospective.flac I just feel like killing myself right now... Göran Sandström www.myspace.com/Veqtor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

if anyone on here was making music for anyone other than themselves they wouldn't be making IDM. i don't really think anyone should be making music for anyone else, OR for themselves, they should just be making it if they're compelled to. if it gets out into the world and people enjoy it, or even better, wanna give you money for it... well that's just an added bonus. you should be making music because the alternative is... i dunno, shooting up an american apparel. joshua. On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:56 PM, <aaronas@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 47 lines shiiiit

> shiiiit > > some of the shit I've made is phenomenal, do you think anybody gives a > fuck? > > in reality we have to make music for ourselves or it's just not worth the > effort, don't quit your dayjob > > > > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote: > From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 4:37 PM > > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least > votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the > hell have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody > wants to listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got > the most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/ > xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

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Musical quality and promotion are entirely different things. People will buy a sack of shit, if you spin the story that makes them think it smells pretty. People can hear/see/touch something more beautiful than they've ever seen... and not get it unless their friend/pack/group/scene tells them it is. Most people nowadays seem to listen to music more as a means of connecting with people than for any intrinsic musical value. Many folks also don't know what they like until someone tells them they should like this or that. But fuckit. If you love what you're doing sure it can get you down from time to time... but hey, you love what you're doing right? So you keep doing it. And what happens happens. Nevyn Nowhere http://www.happhumans.org Sad Music for Happy Humas PS: Human Canvas Project pictures are UP! Yes, that means there is not only free music on my website, but also naked girls! human art! Video projections! white humans! Whatever angle of truth makes you go look! =P On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>wrote:

quoted 24 lines My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes

> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to > listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really care what others think of it as it's all about the enjoyment for me while creating. IMO if you are trying to please others then you never will. The majority of users on waffles/what.cd are NOT into IDM, which could answer your question.... don't be disheartened though.. I'll give your track a listen when i return home from work. 2008/10/20 Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>

quoted 24 lines My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes

> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to > listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

You should never care when people don't like your music, it's nearly impossible but you should try. When they love your music though, you should soak it in and feel encouraged. And you should only read the good reviews you're getting. It's a lot less likely that people will like what you do than the other way around. I like about 1% of the music out there, and I don't think im unique with that. So people disliking stuff isn't very unexpected. They probably like what you loathe anyway so it's no big deal. It's very hard to not care about the negativities but you should always try to ignore it. And if you really can't stand poll results and stuff like that, don't enter. Keep on truckin, /Frans, Plod On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 34 lines personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really

> personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really > care what others think of it as it's all about the enjoyment for me while > creating. IMO if you are trying to please others then you never will. The > majority of users on waffles/what.cd are NOT into IDM, which could answer > your question.... don't be disheartened though.. I'll give your track a > listen when i return home from work. > > 2008/10/20 Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > >> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes >> in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". >> Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell >> have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to >> listen to it anyway? >> I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the >> most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) >> Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. >> FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- >> _Retrospective.flac >> >> I just feel like killing myself right now... >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >

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I agree Why enter? Appreciation of music is so subjective - make sounds you enjoy - anything else is a bonus. David Newman A U D I O B U L B R E C O R D S www.audiobulb.com www.audiobulb.com/ab-shop.htm -----Original Message----- From: Frans Enmark [mailto:fenmark@gmail.com] Sent: 21 October 2008 11:09 To: Zombiefly Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting.... You should never care when people don't like your music, it's nearly impossible but you should try. When they love your music though, you should soak it in and feel encouraged. And you should only read the good reviews you're getting. It's a lot less likely that people will like what you do than the other way around. I like about 1% of the music out there, and I don't think im unique with that. So people disliking stuff isn't very unexpected. They probably like what you loathe anyway so it's no big deal. It's very hard to not care about the negativities but you should always try to ignore it. And if you really can't stand poll results and stuff like that, don't enter. Keep on truckin, /Frans, Plod On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 17 lines personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't

> personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't > really care what others think of it as it's all about the enjoyment > for me while creating. IMO if you are trying to please others then you > never will. The majority of users on waffles/what.cd are NOT into IDM, > which could answer your question.... don't be disheartened though.. > I'll give your track a listen when i return home from work. > > 2008/10/20 Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > >> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least >> votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". >> Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the >> hell have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody >> wants to listen to it anyway? >> I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got >> the most votes, I think his music sucks: >> http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) Please listen to it, tell me what's

wrong with it.

quoted 17 lines FLAC of my track: >> FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- >> _Retrospective.flac >> >> I just feel like killing myself right now... >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional >> commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >

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sending love.. i know how it feels :( as a designer for 10 years got in a competition and when it was time to announce, the most mainstream (in my opinion silliest!) design made it to the first place! i breath eat sleep dream meditate design , i was frustrated... but i realised that what i had in mind was different than what the MASSES wanted.. they all liked mine, but it just didnt work for mainstream... recognition is something we seek indeed, but sometimes it is a test... KEEP THE FAITH, focus on your enjoyment and discourse, and try not to be attached... unfortunately, internet surveys and polls are NOT a measure... dont be fooled... its hard times for real artists these days... (by real i mean, the Truth Path takers if you happen to be one) cheer up, make a track to express your frustration in a contrast sake as an excersize or something or just take a break ;p all love, b- idm lover. p.s. i couldnt hear the flac here! but i will from home to check it... p.s.s there are many other possibilities too, maybe your music is progressive? not understood? i say see the opportunity in this mate and give your self a break... cheers.. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 35 lines personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really

> personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really > care what others think of it as it's all about the enjoyment for me while > creating. IMO if you are trying to please others then you never will. The > majority of users on waffles/what.cd are NOT into IDM, which could answer > your question.... don't be disheartened though.. I'll give your track a > listen when i return home from work. > > 2008/10/20 Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > > > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least > votes > > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell > > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to > > listen to it anyway? > > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the > > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk(IMO) > > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > > _Retrospective.flac > > > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > > > Göran Sandström > > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >

2008/10/21 Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>

quoted 18 lines My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes

> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to > listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > >

a) Don't kill yourself. You are not your music. You'll live. b) Internet polls suck. Don't trust em. It's about who has most (hacker) friends. c) That guys tunes don't suck imo but they aren't awesome either though. d) Your stuff I like better, because it reminds me (a lot) of Squarepusher. Maybe that's a problem. I never feel like buying tunes from a copy if I can get the original. Developing your own style is mandatory if you want to be distinguished as an artists. Teebee (dnb) started out as a Photek rip-off, but he developed his own style along the way, making him unique. I remember some guy on a dnb production list who made excellent Photek tunes. Problem was nobody is interested in selling Photek tunes, unlesss they come from Photek. Making music that you think is good, and are proud of is the best way to go IMO. Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Autechre (I had to drop this one in, it's the IDM list after all) and Venetian Snares wouldn't be producing the tracks they are if they would have made what was popular at the moment, instead of their own take of it. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station

Thanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing is, I've started going to a school for music and everyone here is really talented and by really I mean my age and getting huge scolarships and such if not already living of doing tv-jingles. It's a frustrating, when entering a group of people who're all really talented. I guess I had wished winning that contest, as I thought it would be really easy, because volume one's tracks were so sucky I thought there wouldn't be hardly anything to compete with, would give me an ego-boost, something I've been needing for a while. Anyway, I don't think I'll ever kill myself, I love music too much, and I could never do it to the people around me. Cheers Göran Sandström www.myspace.com/Veqtor 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.37 skrev Göran Sandström: My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to listen to it anyway? I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/ xihilisk (IMO) Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- _Retrospective.flac I just feel like killing myself right now... Göran Sandström www.myspace.com/Veqtor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hey Goran We can't hear ur FLAC..not found in the server(404).... If ur saying it is better than the other guys..i have no choice but to believe you.. cos his is bland...but we still need to hear ur's.... so load it again.. send a link.. etc... *Follow your heart, somebody on the [idm] list might kill ur friend for you, releaving you of your suicide tendencies... *Cheers* * On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>wrote:

quoted 52 lines Thanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing is, I've

> Thanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing is, I've > started going to a school for music and everyone here is really talented and > by really I mean my age and getting huge scolarships and such if not already > living of doing tv-jingles. > It's a frustrating, when entering a group of people who're all really > talented. I guess I had wished winning that contest, as I thought it would > be really easy, because volume one's tracks were so sucky I thought there > wouldn't be hardly anything to compete with, would give me an ego-boost, > something I've been needing for a while. Anyway, I don't think I'll ever > kill myself, I love music too much, and I could never do it to the people > around me. > Cheers > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.37 skrev Göran Sandström: > > > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to > listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I love listening to original artists... being that I love crunchy beats and experimentation. Post some links, and thanks! wnf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of

> I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of > your work. I love listening to original artists... being that I love > crunchy beats and experimentation.

Main page (full album for download): http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Shalmaneser/ Peppiest (jaunty whistling): http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Shalmaneser/FW/01_Shalmaneser_FW_Dynaflex.mp3 Chilliest (suitable for Echoes, honest): http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Shalmaneser/FW/09_Shalmaneser_FW_Nudging_Space.mp3 Most unusual (glitch ragtime): http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/artists/Shalmaneser/FW/05_Shalmaneser_FW_Fondly.mp3 Sneak preview of forthcoming album (crumhorn solo): http://www.doubtfulpalace.com/temp/the_up_and_out.mp3 -- Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I want to share this with you guys primarily since I've been on this list since before I ever took myself somewhat seriously, and have much respect for the many who have come and gone over the past 10 years sharing their music, advice, stories, etc. Have a listen if you like, if not - whatever. I've included the photoshop artwork as well in case you like to print off your own copies and sell them on the black market. Let me know if you make a decent living off my music so I might live vicariously through you. Check out some samples at: http://www.neferiu.com/releases/nef115.php Download the complete album at: http://www.neferiu.com/releases/mantrakid-palmflowerblack.zip Also, don't spread it on waffles... unless you think it's best for me. Nate Neferiu Records | www.neferiu.com | Nate Schmold Contact Us | info@neferiu.com | 1.888.281.4220 (Ext. 2) New Shit | Mantrakid: Palmflowerblack | Mantrakid.com On 21-Oct-08, at 3:10 PM, wownflutter wrote: I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I love listening to original artists... being that I love crunchy beats and experimentation. Post some links, and thanks! wnf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I love

> I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I love listening to original artists... being that I love crunchy beats and experimentation. > > Post some links, and thanks!

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quoted 11 lines wnf

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This is the first song I've finished in close to two years. And it's only two minutes long at that. I'm a bit out of practice. http://www.anothersmallclue.com/music/VAM-Defuse.mp3 ATM most of my time gets taken up by work on this.. http://www.anothersmallclue.com/poise.php I've not been a member of this list for that long so it's been good to listen to some music by the people on here. - Shannon wownflutter wrote:

quoted 14 lines I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I love

> I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I love listening to original artists... being that I love crunchy beats and experimentation. > > Post some links, and thanks! > > wnf > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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ooh ooh my turn http://tigerbeat6.com/cex/audio/ebfed/

Cheers Eric. Thanks for listening. Do you have anything online? Eric Sorenson wrote:

quoted 44 lines This is very nice, thanks for sharing. You clearly put a lot of work

> This is very nice, thanks for sharing. You clearly put a lot of work > into setting up the percussion-y clicks and they kind of lead the song > along with the swelling pads supporting them but never getting in the > way. Bravo > > -=Eric > > > On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Shannon Oram wrote: > >> This is the first song I've finished in close to two years. And it's >> only two minutes long at that. I'm a bit out of practice. >> >> http://www.anothersmallclue.com/music/VAM-Defuse.mp3 >> >> ATM most of my time gets taken up by work on this.. >> >> http://www.anothersmallclue.com/poise.php >> >> >> I've not been a member of this list for that long so it's been good to >> listen to some music by the people on here. >> >> >> - Shannon >> >> >> wownflutter wrote: >>> I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some >>> of your work. I love listening to original artists... being that I >>> love crunchy beats and experimentation. >>> Post some links, and thanks! >>> wnf >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >

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On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Shannon Oram wrote:

quoted 3 lines Cheers Eric. Thanks for listening. Do you have anything online?

> Cheers Eric. Thanks for listening. Do you have anything online? > >

Music online? Nothing I've played in the last 10 years has been worth recording. So now I just stand on the sidelines and take written potshots at folks with the talent and time to put something out there. - Eric Sorenson - N37 17.255 W121 55.738 - http://ahpook.vox.com/ - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Some of the best work I've done has been in the realm of General MIDI files, hopefully your soundcard has a good set of GM Patches to play the songs http://phantasystar09.tripod.com enjoy, ranges from idm'ish to totally experimental electronic, (among other things)

the tracks seem to work best on soundblaster cards   --- On Wed, 10/29/08, aaronas@yahoo.com <aaronas@yahoo.com> wrote: From: aaronas@yahoo.com <aaronas@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....[Links] To: idm@hyperreal.org Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 8:09 PM Some of the best work I've done has been in the realm of General MIDI files, hopefully your soundcard has a good set of GM Patches to play the songs http://phantasystar09.tripod.com enjoy, ranges from idm'ish to totally experimental electronic, (among other things)

You should definitely not quit making music simply because a track did poorly in a what.cd contest. As the old saying goes, there's no accounting for taste, and if you're going to make art/music, you have to be prepared for criticism, even if it's harsh, misguided and unfounded. There was an article in Pitchfork this summer (yeah, yeah, I know), a "The month in techno" article by Philip Sherburne, and he solicited "manifestos" from a number of different producers: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/142152-the-month-in-techno My favorite piece of advice, by far, was this one by Professor Genius: "Before that track you just made goes out into the world, ask yourself: have you just made something that would knock you out if someone else was the author? Would you need to own it and listen to it again? Or does it just blend in with everything else out there (ho hum)?" I think this is a pretty simple (yet demanding) rule that would go a long way towards improving anyone's music. It also solves the dilemma of making music for yourself versus making music for other people. Don't make shit music for yourself, make music for yourself that blows you away personally. If you find yourself unable to enjoy your own music or think of it in those terms, then perhaps you should find another hobby. cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org