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Hi!, recently some labels came in contact with me for my music. The problem is that all my tracks are heavily sample based (manipulated most of the times but basically sample based). I mean stabs, breaks, bass lines etc. So i;d like to know about the legal problems i may have if i release my music. I mean should i clear i.e a repitched horn stab or a rearranged drum break? Some of my tracks are at www.myspace.com/.cirkidmusic if you need reference. --------------------------------- Χρησιμοποιείτε Yahoo! Βαρεθήκατε τα ενοχλητικά μηνύ ματα (spam); Το Yahoo! Mail διαθέτει την καλύτερη δυνατή προστασία κατά των ενοχλητικών μηνυμάτων http://login.yahoo.com/config/mail?.intl=gr

2008/1/4, Ιωάννης Χατόλας <cirkid85@yahoo.gr>:

quoted 8 lines Hi!, recently some labels came in contact with me for my music. The

> > Hi!, recently some labels came in contact with me for my music. The > problem is that all my tracks are heavily sample based (manipulated most of > the times but basically sample based). I mean stabs, breaks, bass lines etc. > So i;d like to know about the legal problems i may have if i release my > music. I mean should i clear i.e a repitched horn stab or a rearranged > drum break? Some of my tracks are at www.myspace.com/.cirkidmusic if you > need reference.

From the snippets I listened to it looks like you are using the same jazz/break/stab samples everyone else is. No offence intended here at all btw, but sampled breaks from old funk records are being reused in about any genre that uses breaks I guess, so those can all be sued. Unless you are using some samples that can be easily recognised (James Brown grunts for instance) I think you're in the clear. As long as the original artist can't recognise his own stuff, you're safe. For the more recognisable breaks (Amen, Hot Pants, Funky Mule, ...) I'm not sure, but I never heard of any dnb producers getting sued for using those. I guess you can see those as public domain by now. I doubt Amon Tobin clears all his shit right? That would probably be a full time job on it's own. Good funky stuff you got there btw. Nice. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station

i've always been VERY curious about this issue. it seems like to most producers this is the large elephant in the room that no one speaks of. my CD has been public for almost 1 year now and i haven't encountered any problems. of course, the more your music enters the public eye (ear), the more chance there is for being singled out for using uncleared samples. i basically had to set any paranoia aside and release what i wanted to release, samples and all. luckily, most of them are unrecognizable. n3wjack <n3wjack@n3wjack.net> wrote: 2008/1/4, ÉùÜííçò ×áôüëáò :

quoted 8 lines Hi!, recently some labels came in contact with me for my music. The

> > Hi!, recently some labels came in contact with me for my music. The > problem is that all my tracks are heavily sample based (manipulated most of > the times but basically sample based). I mean stabs, breaks, bass lines etc. > So i;d like to know about the legal problems i may have if i release my > music. I mean should i clear i.e a repitched horn stab or a rearranged > drum break? Some of my tracks are at www.myspace.com/.cirkidmusic if you > need reference.

From the snippets I listened to it looks like you are using the same jazz/break/stab samples everyone else is. No offence intended here at all btw, but sampled breaks from old funk records are being reused in about any genre that uses breaks I guess, so those can all be sued. Unless you are using some samples that can be easily recognised (James Brown grunts for instance) I think you're in the clear. As long as the original artist can't recognise his own stuff, you're safe. For the more recognisable breaks (Amen, Hot Pants, Funky Mule, ...) I'm not sure, but I never heard of any dnb producers getting sued for using those. I guess you can see those as public domain by now. I doubt Amon Tobin clears all his shit right? That would probably be a full time job on it's own. Good funky stuff you got there btw. Nice. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station

live hard and fuck em if they can't take a joke. On Jan 4, 2008 7:33 AM, Ιωάννης Χατόλας <cirkid85@yahoo.gr> wrote:

quoted 7 lines Hi!, recently some labels came in contact with me for my music. The problem is that all my

> Hi!, recently some labels came in contact with me for my music. The problem is that all my tracks are heavily sample based (manipulated most of the times but basically sample based). I mean stabs, breaks, bass lines etc. So i;d like to know about the legal problems i may have if i release my music. I mean should i clear i.e a repitched horn stab or a rearranged drum break? Some of my tracks are at www.myspace.com/.cirkidmusic if you need reference. > > > --------------------------------- > Χρησιμοποιείτε Yahoo! > Βαρεθήκατε τα ενοχλητικά μηνύ ματα (spam); Το Yahoo! Mail διαθέτει την καλύτερη δυνατή προστασία κατά των ενοχλητικών μηνυμάτων > http://login.yahoo.com/config/mail?.intl=gr

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No doubt... and even at that point, all i've heard is that they order a recall on any remaining copies in stores, etc... -----Original Message----- From: Rjyan Kidwell [mailto:cexwell@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:18 PM To: idm Subject: [idm] need your help! On Jan 4, 2008 4:13 PM, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 2 lines live hard and fuck em if they can't take a joke.

> live hard and fuck em if they can't take a joke. >

Hell yeah-- does anybody even know of any accounts of electronic music producers being fucked with over sampling clearance in the last decade? I think you gotta be selling 100,000s of copies before the stuffed shirts working for the "major" labels will consider it worthwhile to lawyer up and extort a piece. -rk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

not if they don't know copies are on their shelves! infiltrate retail america, idmlist. On Jan 4, 2008 5:23 PM, mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote:

quoted 33 lines No doubt... and even at that point, all i've heard is that they order a

> No doubt... and even at that point, all i've heard is that they order a > recall on any remaining copies in stores, etc... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rjyan Kidwell [mailto:cexwell@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:18 PM > To: idm > Subject: [idm] need your help! > > On Jan 4, 2008 4:13 PM, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > > live hard and fuck em if they can't take a joke. > > > > Hell yeah-- does anybody even know of any accounts of electronic music > producers being fucked with over sampling clearance in the last decade? > > I think you gotta be selling 100,000s of copies before the stuffed shirts > working for the "major" labels will consider it worthwhile to lawyer up and > extort a piece. > > > -rk > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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2008/1/4, Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com>:

quoted 8 lines On Jan 4, 2008 4:13 PM, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On Jan 4, 2008 4:13 PM, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > > live hard and fuck em if they can't take a joke. > > > > Hell yeah-- does anybody even know of any accounts of electronic music > producers being fucked with over sampling clearance in the last decade?

One that comes to mind is that dance record from some (I think a) Parisian producer with those Jane Fonda fitness samples in it. They never cleared those samples because they didn't expect the record to do much, but it caught on in a big way and after a while it was playing on MTv with some aerobics booby vid. Which is nice; By then Jane found out about it and decided she wanted a cut of the earnings, so they had to chip her in for that track. If it wouldn't have gotten so popular they would have gotten away with it, but then again, it didn't turn out bad either way for them. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station

that's why i follow your method and stay as unpopular as possible! On Jan 4, 2008 6:45 PM, n3wjack <n3wjack@n3wjack.net> wrote:

quoted 30 lines 2008/1/4, Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com>:

> 2008/1/4, Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com>: > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 4:13 PM, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > live hard and fuck em if they can't take a joke. > > > > > > > Hell yeah-- does anybody even know of any accounts of electronic music > > producers being fucked with over sampling clearance in the last decade? > > > One that comes to mind is that dance record from some (I think a) Parisian > producer with those Jane Fonda fitness samples in it. They never cleared > those samples because they didn't expect the record to do much, but it > caught on in a big way and after a while it was playing on MTv with some > aerobics booby vid. Which is nice; > > By then Jane found out about it and decided she wanted a cut of the > earnings, so they had to chip her in for that track. > If it wouldn't have gotten so popular they would have gotten away with it, > but then again, it didn't turn out bad either way for them. > > > -- > "progress doesn't come from early risers > progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" > > http://n3wjack.net > http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station >

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On Jan 4, 2008 6:46 PM, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 2 lines that's why i follow your method and stay as unpopular as possible!

> that's why i follow your method and stay as unpopular as possible! >

For real.. what'd you rather have-- complete artistic freedom or a whole bunch of creepy punters coming round asking you questions all the time? -rk

complete artistic freedom and a bunch of creepy punters sending money via paypal and then fucking right off, actually =D On Jan 4, 2008 6:49 PM, Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 13 lines On Jan 4, 2008 6:46 PM, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 4, 2008 6:46 PM, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > > that's why i follow your method and stay as unpopular as possible! > > > > > > > > For real.. what'd you rather have-- complete artistic freedom or a whole > bunch of creepy punters coming round asking you questions all the time? > > > > -rk

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2008/1/5, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com>:

quoted 2 lines that's why i follow your method and stay as unpopular as possible!

> > that's why i follow your method and stay as unpopular as possible!

Dammit! Now I have followers already. Popularity can't be far away now. I'm doomed to dwell with the ones like Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears, suffering from their never ending fanny and boob flashing! The horror! Yay! -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station

On Jan 4, 2008, at 3:45 PM, n3wjack wrote:

quoted 5 lines They never cleared

> They never cleared > those samples because they didn't expect the record to do much, but it > caught on in a big way and after a while it was playing on MTv with > some > aerobics booby vid.

It's really uncool to post a sentence like this and then not include a youtube link. To put it in the crude vernacular of another medium: "JPG OR STFU" -- - Eric Sorenson - N37 17.255 W121 55.738 - http://ahpook.vox.com/ - --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 4 lines caught on in a big way and after a while it was playing on MTv with some

>> caught on in a big way and after a while it was playing on MTv with some >> aerobics booby vid. > It's really uncool to post a sentence like this and then not include a > youtube link.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n6a02004eHo Spacedust - gym & tonic --- that was quite the hit here a few years ago. Seems to have inspired another, more recent clip with a lot of girls doing aerobics in not so subtle ways. Can't remember the name, though.

quoted 1 line To put it in the crude vernacular of another medium: "JPG OR STFU"

> To put it in the crude vernacular of another medium: "JPG OR STFU"

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damn. i was gonna post the spacedust vid but you beat me to it by about 30 seconds. so i guess i'll have to come thru on your second reference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-2iwGeZ2O4 boy, am i helpful. ;) beware when clicking the above link tho, the song in question is teh sooper geigh. ----> GB www.kontrolsf.com _______________________________________________________ On Jan 4, 2008 4:27 PM, Jan Moesen <idm-l@moesen.nu> wrote:

quoted 21 lines caught on in a big way and after a while it was playing on MTv with

> >> caught on in a big way and after a while it was playing on MTv with > some > >> aerobics booby vid. > > It's really uncool to post a sentence like this and then not include a > > youtube link. > http://youtube.com/watch?v=n6a02004eHo > > Spacedust - gym & tonic --- that was quite the hit here a few years ago. > Seems to have inspired another, more recent clip with a lot of girls > doing aerobics in not so subtle ways. Can't remember the name, though. > > > To put it in the crude vernacular of another medium: "JPG OR STFU" > Or, more appropriately, MPEG or STFU. > > And here's another abbrev. for ya: OT! Let's leave it at that. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

Those were both beautiful. I have to give the nod to Spacedust though. Reminds me a fair bit of the (unbelievably awesome) The Juan Maclean video for "give me every little thing" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc3E696qN-c On Jan 4, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Greg Bird wrote:

quoted 50 lines damn. i was gonna post the spacedust vid but you beat me to it by

> damn. i was gonna post the spacedust vid but you beat me to it by > about 30 > seconds. > > so i guess i'll have to come thru on your second reference. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-2iwGeZ2O4 > > boy, am i helpful. ;) > > beware when clicking the above link tho, the song in question is > teh sooper > geigh. > > > ----> GB > > www.kontrolsf.com > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 4:27 PM, Jan Moesen <idm-l@moesen.nu> wrote: > >>>> caught on in a big way and after a while it was playing on MTv with >> some >>>> aerobics booby vid. >>> It's really uncool to post a sentence like this and then not >>> include a >>> youtube link. >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=n6a02004eHo >> >> Spacedust - gym & tonic --- that was quite the hit here a few >> years ago. >> Seems to have inspired another, more recent clip with a lot of girls >> doing aerobics in not so subtle ways. Can't remember the name, >> though. >> >>> To put it in the crude vernacular of another medium: "JPG OR STFU" >> Or, more appropriately, MPEG or STFU. >> >> And here's another abbrev. for ya: OT! Let's leave it at that. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >>

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teh another hot ting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKqZRcNxh5Q Walkman www.sutemos.net Greg Bird rašė:

quoted 47 lines damn. i was gonna post the spacedust vid but you beat me to it by about 30

> damn. i was gonna post the spacedust vid but you beat me to it by about 30 > seconds. > > so i guess i'll have to come thru on your second reference. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-2iwGeZ2O4 > > boy, am i helpful. ;) > > beware when clicking the above link tho, the song in question is teh > sooper > geigh. > > > ----> GB > > www.kontrolsf.com > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 4:27 PM, Jan Moesen <idm-l@moesen.nu> wrote: > >> >> caught on in a big way and after a while it was playing on MTv with >> some >> >> aerobics booby vid. >> > It's really uncool to post a sentence like this and then not include a >> > youtube link. >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=n6a02004eHo >> >> Spacedust - gym & tonic --- that was quite the hit here a few years ago. >> Seems to have inspired another, more recent clip with a lot of girls >> doing aerobics in not so subtle ways. Can't remember the name, though. >> >> > To put it in the crude vernacular of another medium: "JPG OR STFU" >> Or, more appropriately, MPEG or STFU. >> >> And here's another abbrev. for ya: OT! Let's leave it at that. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >

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Benny Benassi's Satisfaction with girls in bikini's operating power tools. Does it get any better than this? Nope. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdLmyMUjXAM 2008/1/5, Walkman <walkman@sutemos.net>:

quoted 8 lines teh another hot ting:

> > teh another hot ting: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKqZRcNxh5Q > > Walkman > www.sutemos.net > >

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never. you don't sue anything that dosen't bleed money. oh wait, there was the Rocked by Rape thing, but that's just because they were sampling a personality-construct and not a musician. On Jan 4, 2008 5:17 PM, Rjyan Kidwell <cexwell@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 15 lines On Jan 4, 2008 4:13 PM, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 4, 2008 4:13 PM, Ed Hoc <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > > live hard and fuck em if they can't take a joke. > > > > Hell yeah-- does anybody even know of any accounts of electronic music > producers being fucked with over sampling clearance in the last decade? > > I think you gotta be selling 100,000s of copies before the stuffed shirts > working for the "major" labels will consider it worthwhile to lawyer up and > extort a piece. > > > -rk >

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