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quoted 2 lines The Red Book specification for

>> The Red Book specification for >> CD length is 74 minutes

quoted 2 lines I'm no expert, but the red book specs

> I'm no expert, but the red book specs > were written in 1980/1, right?

That sounds about right, and I know more than a few people still using CD players from the early 80s that are in fine working order. I've since deleted it, but I believe the original post was looking for the lowest common denominator, a safe length to stay under such that his CDs would play in ALL antique/oddball CD players (not to mention old CD-ROM drives, PlayStations, etc.), and the answer to that question would be to stay under 74 minutes. Using 80-minute CDRs would be a mistake. I seem to remember hearing what might've been an urban legend about how the 74-minute spec was arrived at based on the length of a particular recording of a particular piece of classical music favored by one of the (Philips?) CD engineers. Or did I make that up? JG --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yes, and it was Beethoven's Fifth, I believe. It's not an urban legend, though, it's quite true. As for my switching the details of 80 vs. 74 minutes, I used to have trouble with CD players playing 74 minute discs, before the 80 minute CDR's came out. I had believed that because burned CD's had a different technology than pressed discs that when 80 minute discs came out they had simply caught up to the CD spec. Apparently I was incorrect. I.W. On 11/7/05, John Goelzer <johng@engberganderson.com> wrote:

quoted 14 lines I seem to remember hearing what might've been an urban legend about how

> > > I seem to remember hearing what might've been an urban legend about how > the 74-minute spec was arrived at based on the length of a particular > recording of a particular piece of classical music favored by one of the > (Philips?) CD engineers. Or did I make that up? > > JG > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

actually it was Beethoven's 9th Symphony ...http://www.snopes.com/music/media/cdlength.htm ...david / pbe ----- At 16:15 07/11/2005 -0600, incredible weirdo wrote:

quoted 24 lines Yes, and it was Beethoven's Fifth, I believe. It's not an urban legend,

>Yes, and it was Beethoven's Fifth, I believe. It's not an urban legend, >though, it's quite true. > As for my switching the details of 80 vs. 74 minutes, I used to have >trouble with CD players playing 74 minute discs, before the 80 minute CDR's >came out. I had believed that because burned CD's had a different technology >than pressed discs that when 80 minute discs came out they had simply caught >up to the CD spec. Apparently I was incorrect. > I.W. > > On 11/7/05, John Goelzer <johng@engberganderson.com> wrote: > > > > > > I seem to remember hearing what might've been an urban legend about how > > the 74-minute spec was arrived at based on the length of a particular > > recording of a particular piece of classical music favored by one of the > > (Philips?) CD engineers. Or did I make that up? > > > > JG > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >

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i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they just... look right. but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. nat http://www.littlefurythings.net

quoted 47 lines From: David Hodgson <playing.by.ear@mindspring.com>

>From: David Hodgson <playing.by.ear@mindspring.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] homie >Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:34:00 -0700 > >actually it was Beethoven's 9th Symphony >...http://www.snopes.com/music/media/cdlength.htm ...david / pbe > >----- > > >At 16:15 07/11/2005 -0600, incredible weirdo wrote: >>Yes, and it was Beethoven's Fifth, I believe. It's not an urban legend, >>though, it's quite true. >> As for my switching the details of 80 vs. 74 minutes, I used to have >>trouble with CD players playing 74 minute discs, before the 80 minute >>CDR's >>came out. I had believed that because burned CD's had a different >>technology >>than pressed discs that when 80 minute discs came out they had simply >>caught >>up to the CD spec. Apparently I was incorrect. >> I.W. >> >> On 11/7/05, John Goelzer <johng@engberganderson.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > I seem to remember hearing what might've been an urban legend about how >> > the 74-minute spec was arrived at based on the length of a particular >> > recording of a particular piece of classical music favored by one of >>the >> > (Philips?) CD engineers. Or did I make that up? >> > >> > JG >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 11 lines i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they

> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they > just... look right. > > but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put > into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) > > seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. > > nat > http://www.littlefurythings.net >

I likes 'em. I buy most of them. Awkward Silence just put out a nice batch of them. Quinoline Yellow just released a web-only ltd. 3"cd. They're fun and exciting. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they can't be put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all of my CDs to MP3s and listen to them that way, it's kind of an inconvenience. Ditto with the funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote:

quoted 74 lines i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they

> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they > just... look right. > > but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put > into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) > > seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. > > nat > http://www.littlefurythings.net > > >> From: David Hodgson <playing.by.ear@mindspring.com> >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] homie >> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:34:00 -0700 >> >> actually it was Beethoven's 9th Symphony >> ...http://www.snopes.com/music/media/cdlength.htm ...david / pbe >> >> ----- >> >> >> At 16:15 07/11/2005 -0600, incredible weirdo wrote: >>> Yes, and it was Beethoven's Fifth, I believe. It's not an urban >>> legend, >>> though, it's quite true. >>> As for my switching the details of 80 vs. 74 minutes, I used to have >>> trouble with CD players playing 74 minute discs, before the 80 >>> minute CDR's >>> came out. I had believed that because burned CD's had a different >>> technology >>> than pressed discs that when 80 minute discs came out they had >>> simply caught >>> up to the CD spec. Apparently I was incorrect. >>> I.W. >>> >>> On 11/7/05, John Goelzer <johng@engberganderson.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > I seem to remember hearing what might've been an urban legend >>> about how >>> > the 74-minute spec was arrived at based on the length of a >>> particular >>> > recording of a particular piece of classical music favored by one >>> of the >>> > (Philips?) CD engineers. Or did I make that up? >>> > >>> > JG >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> > >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how > to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Yes, I concur. My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy onto my 12" Powerbook; And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! Goodbye Powerbook! They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" ring of clear plastic surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. Cory ------------------------------------- http://myosound.com http://clouds-out.myosound.com On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote:

quoted 17 lines They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they can't

> They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they can't > be put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all of my CDs > to MP3s and listen to them that way, it's kind of an inconvenience. > Ditto with the funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. > > On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: > >> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they >> just... look right. >> >> but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put >> into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) >> >> seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. >> >> nat >> http://www.littlefurythings.net

On 11/7/05, Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 13 lines Yes, I concur.

> Yes, I concur. > My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy onto > my 12" Powerbook; > And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! Goodbye > Powerbook! > > They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" ring > of clear plastic > surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. > > > Cory >

They also make little plastic rings that you can secure around the 3" CD, therby allowing for play in slot-loading players. I have one that came with my "Are we not men who live and die" 3" CD by Cylob. Not sure where you'd be able to just get ahold of one, but they have to be out there somewhere! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

?? what are these "Fan" 3" CDRs? have not seen these... please advise.... it would be cool if you could take the 'fan' on and off... hmmm...

quoted 42 lines From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com>

>From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?! >Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:57:54 -0500 > >Yes, I concur. >My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy onto my >12" Powerbook; >And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! Goodbye >Powerbook! > >They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" ring of >clear plastic >surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. > > >Cory > >------------------------------------- >http://myosound.com >http://clouds-out.myosound.com > > >On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote: > >>They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they can't be >>put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all of my CDs to MP3s >>and listen to them that way, it's kind of an inconvenience. Ditto with the >>funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. >> >>On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: >> >>>i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they just... >>>look right. >>> >>>but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put into >>>(yoda-speak, beaotch!) >>> >>>seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. >>> >>>nat >>>http://www.littlefurythings.net

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I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com: http://www.cdman.com/store/fancd.html Not sure where to get them bulk though. I'm sure it's possible; I mean, cdman.com must buy them somewhere right? Cory ------------------------------------- http://myosound.com http://clouds-out.myosound.com On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:07 PM, nat hawks wrote:

quoted 53 lines ??

> ?? > > what are these "Fan" 3" CDRs? have not seen these... please advise.... > it would be cool if you could take the 'fan' on and off... hmmm... > > >> From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?! >> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:57:54 -0500 >> >> Yes, I concur. >> My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy onto >> my 12" Powerbook; >> And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! >> Goodbye Powerbook! >> >> They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" >> ring of clear plastic >> surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. >> >> >> Cory >> >> ------------------------------------- >> http://myosound.com >> http://clouds-out.myosound.com >> >> >> On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote: >> >>> They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they >>> can't be put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all of >>> my CDs to MP3s and listen to them that way, it's kind of an >>> inconvenience. Ditto with the funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. >>> >>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: >>> >>>> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they >>>> just... look right. >>>> >>>> but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put >>>> into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) >>>> >>>> seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. >>>> >>>> nat >>>> http://www.littlefurythings.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >

that seems retarded somehow, to me. On 11/8/05, Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 73 lines I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com:

> I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com: > > http://www.cdman.com/store/fancd.html > > Not sure where to get them bulk though. I'm sure it's possible; > I mean, cdman.com must buy them somewhere right? > > > Cory > > > ------------------------------------- > http://myosound.com > http://clouds-out.myosound.com > > > On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:07 PM, nat hawks wrote: > > > ?? > > > > what are these "Fan" 3" CDRs? have not seen these... please advise.... > > it would be cool if you could take the 'fan' on and off... hmmm... > > > > > >> From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> > >> To: idm@hyperreal.org > >> Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?! > >> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:57:54 -0500 > >> > >> Yes, I concur. > >> My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy onto > >> my 12" Powerbook; > >> And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! > >> Goodbye Powerbook! > >> > >> They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" > >> ring of clear plastic > >> surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. > >> > >> > >> Cory > >> > >> ------------------------------------- > >> http://myosound.com > >> http://clouds-out.myosound.com > >> > >> > >> On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote: > >> > >>> They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they > >>> can't be put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all of > >>> my CDs to MP3s and listen to them that way, it's kind of an > >>> inconvenience. Ditto with the funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. > >>> > >>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: > >>> > >>>> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they > >>>> just... look right. > >>>> > >>>> but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put > >>>> into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) > >>>> > >>>> seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. > >>>> > >>>> nat > >>>> http://www.littlefurythings.net > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > > FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > >

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me too... why not just toss 20some minutes on a normal cd......... Jong-Ilist Massive wrote:

quoted 104 lines that seems retarded somehow, to me.

>that seems retarded somehow, to me. > >On 11/8/05, Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com: >> >>http://www.cdman.com/store/fancd.html >> >>Not sure where to get them bulk though. I'm sure it's possible; >>I mean, cdman.com must buy them somewhere right? >> >> >>Cory >> >> >>------------------------------------- >>http://myosound.com >>http://clouds-out.myosound.com >> >> >>On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:07 PM, nat hawks wrote: >> >> >> >>>?? >>> >>>what are these "Fan" 3" CDRs? have not seen these... please advise.... >>>it would be cool if you could take the 'fan' on and off... hmmm... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> >>>>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>>Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?! >>>>Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:57:54 -0500 >>>> >>>>Yes, I concur. >>>>My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy onto >>>>my 12" Powerbook; >>>>And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! >>>>Goodbye Powerbook! >>>> >>>>They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" >>>>ring of clear plastic >>>>surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. >>>> >>>> >>>>Cory >>>> >>>>------------------------------------- >>>>http://myosound.com >>>>http://clouds-out.myosound.com >>>> >>>> >>>>On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they >>>>>can't be put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all of >>>>>my CDs to MP3s and listen to them that way, it's kind of an >>>>>inconvenience. Ditto with the funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. >>>>> >>>>>On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they >>>>>>just... look right. >>>>>> >>>>>>but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put >>>>>>into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) >>>>>> >>>>>>seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. >>>>>> >>>>>>nat >>>>>>http://www.littlefurythings.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >>>FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >-- >pete lastname >meatsock@gmail.com >www.grep-fu.net > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >

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RIDICULOUS!!! VIVA LA FANCD!! Cory ------------------------------------- http://myosound.com http://clouds-out.myosound.com On Nov 8, 2005, at 2:05 AM, mantrakid wrote:

quoted 16 lines me too...

> me too... > > why not just toss 20some minutes on a normal cd......... > > Jong-Ilist Massive wrote: > >> that seems retarded somehow, to me. >> >> On 11/8/05, Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com: >>> >>> http://www.cdman.com/store/fancd.html >>> >>> Not sure where to get them bulk though. I'm sure it's possible; >>> I mean, cdman.com must buy them somewhere right?

NEW FROM PIZZA HUT: LARGE PIZZA, IN LARGE BOX, WITH 5 INCHES CUT OFF THE OUTSIDE. On 11/8/05, mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote:

quoted 127 lines me too...

> me too... > > why not just toss 20some minutes on a normal cd......... > > Jong-Ilist Massive wrote: > > >that seems retarded somehow, to me. > > > >On 11/8/05, Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com: > >> > >>http://www.cdman.com/store/fancd.html > >> > >>Not sure where to get them bulk though. I'm sure it's possible; > >>I mean, cdman.com must buy them somewhere right? > >> > >> > >>Cory > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------- > >>http://myosound.com > >>http://clouds-out.myosound.com > >> > >> > >>On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:07 PM, nat hawks wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>?? > >>> > >>>what are these "Fan" 3" CDRs? have not seen these... please advise.... > >>>it would be cool if you could take the 'fan' on and off... hmmm... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> > >>>>To: idm@hyperreal.org > >>>>Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?! > >>>>Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:57:54 -0500 > >>>> > >>>>Yes, I concur. > >>>>My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy onto > >>>>my 12" Powerbook; > >>>>And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! > >>>>Goodbye Powerbook! > >>>> > >>>>They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" > >>>>ring of clear plastic > >>>>surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Cory > >>>> > >>>>------------------------------------- > >>>>http://myosound.com > >>>>http://clouds-out.myosound.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they > >>>>>can't be put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all of > >>>>>my CDs to MP3s and listen to them that way, it's kind of an > >>>>>inconvenience. Ditto with the funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. > >>>>> > >>>>>On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they > >>>>>>just... look right. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put > >>>>>>into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>nat > >>>>>>http://www.littlefurythings.net > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>_________________________________________________________________ > >>>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > >>>FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >pete lastname > >meatsock@gmail.com > >www.grep-fu.net > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > www.neferiu.com <http://www.neferiu.com> > www.neferiu.com > calgary *·* alberta > 403*·*852*·*6801 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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AH! But large pizzas don't open up entirely new avenues for packaging and design! And those extra 5 inches might save space in the drivers car, thus alowing him to carry and extra 2 pizzas every trip! Think Think Think Think... ------------------------------------- http://myosound.com http://clouds-out.myosound.com On Nov 8, 2005, at 2:10 AM, Jong-Ilist Massive wrote:

quoted 150 lines NEW FROM PIZZA HUT:

> NEW FROM PIZZA HUT: > > LARGE PIZZA, IN LARGE BOX, WITH 5 INCHES CUT OFF THE OUTSIDE. > > On 11/8/05, mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote: >> me too... >> >> why not just toss 20some minutes on a normal cd......... >> >> Jong-Ilist Massive wrote: >> >>> that seems retarded somehow, to me. >>> >>> On 11/8/05, Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com: >>>> >>>> http://www.cdman.com/store/fancd.html >>>> >>>> Not sure where to get them bulk though. I'm sure it's possible; >>>> I mean, cdman.com must buy them somewhere right? >>>> >>>> >>>> Cory >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------- >>>> http://myosound.com >>>> http://clouds-out.myosound.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:07 PM, nat hawks wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> ?? >>>>> >>>>> what are these "Fan" 3" CDRs? have not seen these... please >>>>> advise.... >>>>> it would be cool if you could take the 'fan' on and off... hmmm... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?! >>>>>> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:57:54 -0500 >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I concur. >>>>>> My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy >>>>>> onto >>>>>> my 12" Powerbook; >>>>>> And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! >>>>>> Goodbye Powerbook! >>>>>> >>>>>> They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" >>>>>> ring of clear plastic >>>>>> surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cory >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------- >>>>>> http://myosound.com >>>>>> http://clouds-out.myosound.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they >>>>>>> can't be put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> my CDs to MP3s and listen to them that way, it's kind of an >>>>>>> inconvenience. Ditto with the funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they >>>>>>>> just... look right. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be >>>>>>>> put >>>>>>>> into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to >>>>>>>> know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nat >>>>>>>> http://www.littlefurythings.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - >>>>> it's >>>>> FREE! >>>>> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> pete lastname >>> meatsock@gmail.com >>> www.grep-fu.net >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> www.neferiu.com <http://www.neferiu.com> >> www.neferiu.com >> calgary *·* alberta >> 403*·*852*·*6801 >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > -- > pete lastname > meatsock@gmail.com > www.grep-fu.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

from a design standpoint they look really fantastic. the Scarcelight release by Chuck Bettis uses a fan-cd housed in a clear jewel case. gotten nothing but compliments on the package (mr bettis designed it himself) --- Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 140 lines AH! But large pizzas don't open up entirely new

> AH! But large pizzas don't open up entirely new > avenues for packaging > and design! > > And those extra 5 inches might save space in the > drivers car, > thus alowing him to carry and extra 2 pizzas every > trip! > > > Think Think Think Think... > > ------------------------------------- > http://myosound.com > http://clouds-out.myosound.com > > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 2:10 AM, Jong-Ilist Massive > wrote: > > > NEW FROM PIZZA HUT: > > > > LARGE PIZZA, IN LARGE BOX, WITH 5 INCHES CUT OFF > THE OUTSIDE. > > > > On 11/8/05, mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> > wrote: > >> me too... > >> > >> why not just toss 20some minutes on a normal > cd......... > >> > >> Jong-Ilist Massive wrote: > >> > >>> that seems retarded somehow, to me. > >>> > >>> On 11/8/05, Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> I spotted them as a duplication option at > cdman.com: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.cdman.com/store/fancd.html > >>>> > >>>> Not sure where to get them bulk though. I'm > sure it's possible; > >>>> I mean, cdman.com must buy them somewhere > right? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cory > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------- > >>>> http://myosound.com > >>>> http://clouds-out.myosound.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:07 PM, nat hawks wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> ?? > >>>>> > >>>>> what are these "Fan" 3" CDRs? have not seen > these... please > >>>>> advise.... > >>>>> it would be cool if you could take the 'fan' > on and off... hmmm... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> > >>>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?! > >>>>>> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:57:54 -0500 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, I concur. > >>>>>> My *only* method of listening to music is > burning the CD's I buy > >>>>>> onto > >>>>>> my 12" Powerbook; > >>>>>> And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot > loading drive! HA! > >>>>>> Goodbye Powerbook! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They do make those "Fan" CD's though. > Basically a 3" CD with a 2" > >>>>>> ring of clear plastic > >>>>>> surrounding it. Thus making it playable in > slot loading drives. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cory > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------- > >>>>>> http://myosound.com > >>>>>> http://clouds-out.myosound.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> They are nifty in principle, but there are > too many players they > >>>>>>> can't be put in (including my computer!) > Since I tend to rip all > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> my CDs to MP3s and listen to them that way, > it's kind of an > >>>>>>> inconvenience. Ditto with the funny-shaped > CDs you sometimes see. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and > for short releases they > >>>>>>>> just... look right. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> but, are these obscured? now that new > computers they cannot be > >>>>>>>> put > >>>>>>>> into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE > 3"ers? i, like, need to > >>>>>>>> know. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> nat > >>>>>>>> http://www.littlefurythings.net > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >

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On 11/8/05, mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote:

quoted 4 lines me too...

> > me too... > > why not just toss 20some minutes on a normal cd.........

It changes the aesthetics of the release. Take a look at Jake Mandell's "Placekick", Kid606's "Soccer Girl" and Kit Clayton/Safety Scissors's "Ping-Pong" EPs on Carpark. They designed the art to print past the recordable edges; it makes the football/soccerball/ping-pong ball look like they're floating on the disc. If they used a regular 5" disc, it would look like it was just printed on a field of silver and lose some of the look. They're also good for labels / artists going for a minimal look. Reference the 20' to 2000 series on Raster. i0

oh noes! i for one would NEVER buy a CD without 'the look!' On 11/8/05, iteration zero <iterationzero@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 19 lines On 11/8/05, mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote:

> On 11/8/05, mantrakid <mantrakid@neferiu.com> wrote: > > > > me too... > > > > why not just toss 20some minutes on a normal cd......... > > > It changes the aesthetics of the release. Take a look at Jake Mandell's > "Placekick", Kid606's "Soccer Girl" and Kit Clayton/Safety Scissors's > "Ping-Pong" EPs on Carpark. They designed the art to print past the > recordable edges; it makes the football/soccerball/ping-pong ball look like > they're floating on the disc. If they used a regular 5" disc, it would look > like it was just printed on a field of silver and lose some of the look. > They're also good for labels / artists going for a minimal look. Reference > the 20' to 2000 series on Raster. > > i0 > >

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quoted 1 line oh noes! i for one would NEVER buy a CD without 'the look!'

> oh noes! i for one would NEVER buy a CD without 'the look!'

Way to miss the point.

quoted 8 lines It changes the aesthetics of the release. Take a look at Jake Mandell's

>>It changes the aesthetics of the release. Take a look at Jake Mandell's >>"Placekick", Kid606's "Soccer Girl" and Kit Clayton/Safety Scissors's >>"Ping-Pong" EPs on Carpark. They designed the art to print past the >>recordable edges; it makes the football/soccerball/ping-pong ball look like >>they're floating on the disc. If they used a regular 5" disc, it would look >>like it was just printed on a field of silver and lose some of the look. >>They're also good for labels / artists going for a minimal look. Reference >>the 20' to 2000 series on Raster.

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isnt the point THE MUSIC? just wondering. On 11/8/05, Matt Tasker <mtasker@optonline.net> wrote:

quoted 23 lines Jong-Ilist Massive wrote:

> Jong-Ilist Massive wrote: > > oh noes! i for one would NEVER buy a CD without 'the look!' > > Way to miss the point. > > > > > > >>It changes the aesthetics of the release. Take a look at Jake Mandell's > >>"Placekick", Kid606's "Soccer Girl" and Kit Clayton/Safety Scissors's > >>"Ping-Pong" EPs on Carpark. They designed the art to print past the > >>recordable edges; it makes the football/soccerball/ping-pong ball look like > >>they're floating on the disc. If they used a regular 5" disc, it would look > >>like it was just printed on a field of silver and lose some of the look. > >>They're also good for labels / artists going for a minimal look. Reference > >>the 20' to 2000 series on Raster. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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On 11/8/05, Jong-Ilist Massive <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 4 lines isnt the point THE MUSIC?

> isnt the point THE MUSIC? > > just wondering. >

Certainly, the music is the focus of a release, but packaging and presentation can set the stage for the listener experience. Raster-Noton does a fantastic job of packaging their releases. Just seeing the way they present the music makes me want to hear more of it. I have a few of the POST series, and I want to hear the rest. I have some of the Static series, and I'd love to hear the rest. With Raster-Noton, the packaging and the music work together flawlessly. I'm always interested to see how a certain artist will interpret the idea behind the series for which they're creating that particular music. Yes, the music is the point, but I sure do appreciate when someone makes an effort to present it in interesting and/or exciting ways (see also Ae + Hafler Trio, or any other Hafler stuff, for that matter). Later, Alan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 11/8/05, Jong-Ilist Massive <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 4 lines isnt the point THE MUSIC?

> > isnt the point THE MUSIC? > > just wondering.

If that's truly your opinion, then why bother purchasing any music at all? Just troll some filesharing service and download what you want. No messy packaging to worry about. i0

your logic does not follow my argument; if the point is THE MUSIC, it is implicit that THE MUSIC is inseperable (or at least closely tied to) THE MUSICIAN; ergo if my primary motivation was appreciation of the music it follows i would want THE MUSICIAN to be able to understand my appreciation; in our culture this is indicated by purchasing his music for a fee, or paying to see him live. there's no reason to go around accusing people of piracy just because they consider the FUNCTION of the content to be superior to the FORM of the packaging. there's no reason to assume everyone is as motivated by price as you are. there's no reason to assume i'm a pirate just because i value 74 minutes of input to my ears above 20 seconds of input to my eyes. beesiiidess, why would i want to troll anywhere other than here? =) please intrepret this as intended in good fun and not a malicious personal attack, mr. zero. On 11/8/05, iteration zero <iterationzero@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 13 lines On 11/8/05, Jong-Ilist Massive <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/8/05, Jong-Ilist Massive <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > isnt the point THE MUSIC? > > > > just wondering. > > If that's truly your opinion, then why bother purchasing any music at all? > Just troll some filesharing service and download what you want. No messy > packaging to worry about. > > i0 > > >

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On 11/9/05, Jong-Ilist Massive <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 7 lines your logic does not follow my argument; if the point is THE MUSIC, it

> > your logic does not follow my argument; if the point is THE MUSIC, it > is implicit that THE MUSIC is inseperable (or at least closely tied > to) THE MUSICIAN; ergo if my primary motivation was appreciation of > the music it follows i would want THE MUSICIAN to be able to > understand my appreciation; in our culture this is indicated by > purchasing his music for a fee, or paying to see him live.

I disagree - the point is what is presented to the listener. While this obviously includes the music, I don't think anyone would dispute that, it also includes how the music is presented. If the musician (or label) has gone out of their way to produce something special in the physical presentation of the music, wouldn't it show a lack of appreciation to ignore it? there's no reason to go around accusing people of piracy just because

quoted 6 lines they consider the FUNCTION of the content to be superior to the FORM

> they consider the FUNCTION of the content to be superior to the FORM > of the packaging. there's no reason to assume everyone is as motivated > by price as you are. there's no reason to assume i'm a pirate just > because i value 74 minutes of input to my ears above 20 seconds of > input to my eyes. >

I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was making a suggestion. If all you're really concerned with is content, then why not just rip all the cd's you purchase to mp3 (or ogg or flac or whatever) and then donate the physical media and packaging to your local library? You talk about considering the function of the content and then assume that the content ends at the music. I disagree. I apologize if I came off as attacking you, this conversation is all in good fun for me as well. And I'm definitely not calling you Mr. Massive. i0

i think that's the best idea i've heard on the internet to date =) On 11/9/05, iteration zero <iterationzero@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 4 lines I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was making a suggestion. If all you're

> I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was making a suggestion. If all you're > really concerned with is content, then why not just rip all the cd's you > purchase to mp3 (or ogg or flac or whatever) and then donate the physical > media and packaging to your local library?

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if you do this, you should at least offer the option of purchasing the 3" cd in a FULL SIZE JEWELBOX i recently got a bunch of 3"s from aus/uk label HERE'S MY CARD, and they totally mess up my CD filing system becayse they're too small =] this is probably not a big issue for most people, but they're not as easy to flip through and don't fit in my cd box On 11/7/05, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 70 lines i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they just...

> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they just... > look right. > > but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put into > (yoda-speak, beaotch!) > > seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. > > nat > http://www.littlefurythings.net > > > >From: David Hodgson <playing.by.ear@mindspring.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] homie > >Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:34:00 -0700 > > > >actually it was Beethoven's 9th Symphony > >...http://www.snopes.com/music/media/cdlength.htm ...david / pbe > > > >----- > > > > > >At 16:15 07/11/2005 -0600, incredible weirdo wrote: > >>Yes, and it was Beethoven's Fifth, I believe. It's not an urban legend, > >>though, it's quite true. > >> As for my switching the details of 80 vs. 74 minutes, I used to have > >>trouble with CD players playing 74 minute discs, before the 80 minute > >>CDR's > >>came out. I had believed that because burned CD's had a different > >>technology > >>than pressed discs that when 80 minute discs came out they had simply > >>caught > >>up to the CD spec. Apparently I was incorrect. > >> I.W. > >> > >> On 11/7/05, John Goelzer <johng@engberganderson.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > I seem to remember hearing what might've been an urban legend about how > >> > the 74-minute spec was arrived at based on the length of a particular > >> > recording of a particular piece of classical music favored by one of > >>the > >> > (Philips?) CD engineers. Or did I make that up? > >> > > >> > JG > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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I like 3" CDs aesthetically. I dislike 3" CDs practically. -adam On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:06 PM, nat hawks wrote:

quoted 76 lines i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they

> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they > just... look right. > > but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put > into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) > > seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. > > nat > http://www.littlefurythings.net > > >> From: David Hodgson <playing.by.ear@mindspring.com> >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] homie >> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:34:00 -0700 >> >> actually it was Beethoven's 9th Symphony ...http://www.snopes.com/ >> music/media/cdlength.htm ...david / pbe >> >> ----- >> >> >> At 16:15 07/11/2005 -0600, incredible weirdo wrote: >>> Yes, and it was Beethoven's Fifth, I believe. It's not an urban >>> legend, >>> though, it's quite true. >>> As for my switching the details of 80 vs. 74 minutes, I used to >>> have >>> trouble with CD players playing 74 minute discs, before the 80 >>> minute CDR's >>> came out. I had believed that because burned CD's had a different >>> technology >>> than pressed discs that when 80 minute discs came out they had >>> simply caught >>> up to the CD spec. Apparently I was incorrect. >>> I.W. >>> >>> On 11/7/05, John Goelzer <johng@engberganderson.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > I seem to remember hearing what might've been an urban legend >>> about how >>> > the 74-minute spec was arrived at based on the length of a >>> particular >>> > recording of a particular piece of classical music favored by >>> one of the >>> > (Philips?) CD engineers. Or did I make that up? >>> > >>> > JG >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> > >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on > how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx? > cid=Retirement > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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well, i like 3" cd-rs - they're what i'm releasing now instead of split 7"s, as pressing costs got too high for super-limited edition vinyl releases. the good points are they look cute and you can release up to 21 minutes of music - better than the 12 or so minutes on a 7" at 33rpm. i've released three 'idm' 3"s so far and all have been well received, selling as well as my 7"s did so i'd say go for it...! john ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ awkward silence recordings ~ new in 2005: awkward 21 - tomcats in tokyo / isan - split 3" cd awkward 20 - nautilis / uga - split 3" cd awkward 19 - maps and diagrams / verbose - split 3" cd www.awkwardsilencerecordings.com is website ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > awkward silence recordings ~ new in 2005: > > awkward 21 - tomcats in tokyo / isan - split 3" cd > awkward 20 - nautilis / uga - split 3" cd > awkward 19 - maps and diagrams / verbose - split 3" cd > > www.awkwardsilencerecordings.com is website > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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quoted 1 line awkward 19 - maps and diagrams / verbose - split 3" cd

> awkward 19 - maps and diagrams / verbose - split 3" cd

My friend just bought this one at the weekend. Its ace! And yeah, they do look really good as well, not as tactile as vinyl, but definitely lovely little collectible items. thor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

sorry, they're duplicated cd-r releases (as opposed to pressed/manufactured cds) but with the ability to have duplicated discs printed these days and the fact that they're housed in little rubber/plastic mini-dvd style cases they do look {and sound} very nice! there are a few labels taking this route now - most notably cactus island, who do editions of just 100 copies no matter who's on the disc, and quinoline yellow recently released his own limited 3" cd-r release via his website (i.e. not on skam), which is a fine disc. john

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> awkward silence wrote: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > awkward silence recordings ~ new in 2005: > > > > awkward 21 - tomcats in tokyo / isan - split 3" cd > > awkward 20 - nautilis / uga - split 3" cd > > awkward 19 - maps and diagrams / verbose - split 3" cd > > > > www.awkwardsilencerecordings.com is website > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Are these pressed CDs, or CD-Rs? Your post confused the issue... > > > Matt

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Broadcast just released another Microtronics 3" (Volume 02). As it states: "music for links and bridges". Recommended. e.

quoted 5 lines I likes 'em. I buy most of them. Awkward Silence just put out a nice

> I likes 'em. I buy most of them. Awkward Silence just put out a nice > batch of them. Quinoline Yellow just released a web-only ltd. 3"cd. > They're fun and exciting. > > jeff

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quoted 2 lines Broadcast just released another Microtronics 3" (Volume 02).

> Broadcast just released another Microtronics 3" (Volume 02). > As it states: "music for links and bridges".

Is this another "tour only EP" or can one actually buy this somewhere else? Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Tour-Only EP. Volume 01 was available for sale after the tour though... So I'm assuming the same for this... e. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Tasker" <mtasker@optonline.net> To: "idm" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?!

quoted 15 lines utility@unrecognized.org wrote:

> utility@unrecognized.org wrote: >> Broadcast just released another Microtronics 3" (Volume 02). >> As it states: "music for links and bridges". > > Is this another "tour only EP" or can one actually buy this somewhere > else? > > > Matt > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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If you don't happen to have a copy of The Normal's "TVOD/Warm Leatherette" on CD to cannibalize, you cvan buy adapters such as seen here: http://www.weisd.com/store2/PFNCD-3AR-2.html -e

quoted 71 lines I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com:

> I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com: > > http://www.cdman.com/store/fancd.html > > Not sure where to get them bulk though. I'm sure it's possible; > I mean, cdman.com must buy them somewhere right? > > > Cory > > > ------------------------------------- > http://myosound.com > http://clouds-out.myosound.com > > > On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:07 PM, nat hawks wrote: > >> ?? >> >> what are these "Fan" 3" CDRs? have not seen these... please advise.... >> it would be cool if you could take the 'fan' on and off... hmmm... >> >> >>> From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> >>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?! >>> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:57:54 -0500 >>> >>> Yes, I concur. >>> My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy onto >>> my 12" Powerbook; >>> And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! >>> Goodbye Powerbook! >>> >>> They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" >>> ring of clear plastic >>> surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. >>> >>> >>> Cory >>> >>> ------------------------------------- >>> http://myosound.com >>> http://clouds-out.myosound.com >>> >>> >>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote: >>> >>>> They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they >>>> can't be put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all of >>>> my CDs to MP3s and listen to them that way, it's kind of an >>>> inconvenience. Ditto with the funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. >>>> >>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: >>>> >>>>> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they >>>>> just... look right. >>>>> >>>>> but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be put >>>>> into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) >>>>> >>>>> seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. >>>>> >>>>> nat >>>>> http://www.littlefurythings.net >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >> FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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Anyone ever tried one of these things? I'd be concerned about it getting jammed or otherwise f-ing up my drive. On Nov 8, 2005, at 1:25 PM, Eric wrote:

quoted 78 lines If you don't happen to have a copy of The Normal's "TVOD/Warm

> If you don't happen to have a copy of The Normal's "TVOD/Warm > Leatherette" on CD to cannibalize, you cvan buy adapters such as seen > here: http://www.weisd.com/store2/PFNCD-3AR-2.html > > -e > >> I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com: >> http://www.cdman.com/store/fancd.html >> Not sure where to get them bulk though. I'm sure it's possible; >> I mean, cdman.com must buy them somewhere right? >> Cory >> ------------------------------------- >> http://myosound.com >> http://clouds-out.myosound.com >> On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:07 PM, nat hawks wrote: >>> ?? >>> >>> what are these "Fan" 3" CDRs? have not seen these... please >>> advise.... >>> it would be cool if you could take the 'fan' on and off... hmmm... >>> >>> >>>> From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> >>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>> Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?! >>>> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:57:54 -0500 >>>> >>>> Yes, I concur. >>>> My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy >>>> onto my 12" Powerbook; >>>> And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! >>>> Goodbye Powerbook! >>>> >>>> They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" >>>> ring of clear plastic >>>> surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cory >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------- >>>> http://myosound.com >>>> http://clouds-out.myosound.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they >>>>> can't be put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all >>>>> of my CDs to MP3s and listen to them that way, it's kind of an >>>>> inconvenience. Ditto with the funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they >>>>>> just... look right. >>>>>> >>>>>> but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be >>>>>> put into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) >>>>>> >>>>>> seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to >>>>>> know. >>>>>> >>>>>> nat >>>>>> http://www.littlefurythings.net >>> >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >>> FREE! >>> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Like I said, they came stock with the official Mute CD release of The Normal's single. Never a problem here because the CD clamps into place. -eric Tim Moore wrote:

quoted 83 lines Anyone ever tried one of these things? I'd be concerned about it getting

> Anyone ever tried one of these things? I'd be concerned about it getting > jammed or otherwise f-ing up my drive. > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 1:25 PM, Eric wrote: > >> If you don't happen to have a copy of The Normal's "TVOD/Warm >> Leatherette" on CD to cannibalize, you cvan buy adapters such as seen >> here: http://www.weisd.com/store2/PFNCD-3AR-2.html >> >> -e >> >>> I spotted them as a duplication option at cdman.com: >>> http://www.cdman.com/store/fancd.html >>> Not sure where to get them bulk though. I'm sure it's possible; >>> I mean, cdman.com must buy them somewhere right? >>> Cory >>> ------------------------------------- >>> http://myosound.com >>> http://clouds-out.myosound.com >>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:07 PM, nat hawks wrote: >>> >>>> ?? >>>> >>>> what are these "Fan" 3" CDRs? have not seen these... please advise.... >>>> it would be cool if you could take the 'fan' on and off... hmmm... >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Cory O'Brien <myo.sound@gmail.com> >>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [idm] homie/3" CDRs?! >>>>> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:57:54 -0500 >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I concur. >>>>> My *only* method of listening to music is burning the CD's I buy >>>>> onto my 12" Powerbook; >>>>> And if I put on of those 3" CD's in my slot loading drive! HA! >>>>> Goodbye Powerbook! >>>>> >>>>> They do make those "Fan" CD's though. Basically a 3" CD with a 2" >>>>> ring of clear plastic >>>>> surrounding it. Thus making it playable in slot loading drives. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cory >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------- >>>>> http://myosound.com >>>>> http://clouds-out.myosound.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:57 PM, Tim Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> They are nifty in principle, but there are too many players they >>>>>> can't be put in (including my computer!) Since I tend to rip all >>>>>> of my CDs to MP3s and listen to them that way, it's kind of an >>>>>> inconvenience. Ditto with the funny-shaped CDs you sometimes see. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:06 PM, nat hawks wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> i love 3" CDRs... they are so cute! and for short releases they >>>>>>> just... look right. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but, are these obscured? now that new computers they cannot be >>>>>>> put into (yoda-speak, beaotch!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> seriously though, do listers NOT LIKE 3"ers? i, like, need to know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> nat >>>>>>> http://www.littlefurythings.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >>>> FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >>

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